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Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/3/2005 6:31:25 PM
I will be sending you the Article. It claims Mr Von Wade is a racist anti hispanic militant! I have never viewed you as that type of man. However there are more issues I have with this publication! I am the main proponent for the Fernandz cause which is a cause I beleived in and still beleive in. I have discovered the Family is controlled by a meglomaniac and since I have fought for this cause believe I should be able to post against this cause as well. Well they have banned me! I will develop this story more over the next few days and hope I can get some support with regard to the first amendment that Defenzor is supposed to stand for!
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Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Here are the links! 1/3/2005 6:34:49 PM
kenedyranch.net & defenzor.net http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?user=defensornews
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/3/2005 6:41:20 PM
Well, that may be a little over board, but sometimes Eric, you kinda bring it own yourself. i think more people on the other side of issues would take you more seriously if you didn''t fill up so much air time with just empty name calling retoric. I mean, I agree with you on the smoking ban issue, but every time you mention it you have to add all filler. capitalist haters, communists, socialists, militant(comeon, they may be pushy but militant is a stretch) and this goes for anyone not on your side, you try to anaize the situation at times, but you just fill it up with some much non-substancial name calling. it''s the same as the superleft calling anything US realated as capitalist pigs/nazis...ect ect... It adds nothing to the debate, turns alot of people off, and adds to the divide. just a thought.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Good Point Sidewalk Cipher! 1/3/2005 10:36:32 PM
I am new in here and am not familiar with Mr Von Wade; however I do agree with you with respect to the name calling it is really just theatrics and filler. I say this with all due respect and will practice this ethical stance myself! I will be reading the postings from the past! Apropos! I have been posting on the two sites defenzor.net & kenedyranch.net for quite sometime. Everything was alright until I wanted to be critical of an element for which I do not represent. I am from the Body of Christ and reside from within! I have been battling with the Kenedy Foundation And Trust who i refer to as KFATSO. I have also stood up to the Catholic Church here and in the Vatican for our Diocese is the Richest Diocese in the World! I have exposed the pedophiles of Parkdale Baptist Church & the Roman Catholic Church under Bishop Rene Gracida. I also have exposed the fraud & corruption of the Church Universal & KFATSO. I have enormous information and evidence to back up my words! Tell KFATSO & the Fernandez people they woke up a Sleeping Giant.
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Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 11:06:03 AM
I''m really surprized at your lack of education Sidwalk. Those words are not ""filler"" or ""name calling"" as you put it. They have specific definitions that have specific meaning to the subject I am discussing. Pick up a dictionary and discover for yourself. Second, what the hell does that have to do with a bunch of loose-cannon extreamists calling me a racist because they can''t beat me in a debate? Maybe you and those Defenzor types have something in common. I''d watch it if I were you Sidwalk. Your walking a very thin line for someone who cowers away from calling in on the air to make your points because you expose a great intellectual weakness when you do. If you want to go toe to toe with me then stop hunkering down behind your computer and be a man. Call into the show as you have done a couple of times before. You didn''t do so well when you couldn''t search the web for someone else to quote verbatim. As I remember, when cornered, you simply kept repeating some juvenile, over simplistic, unreasonable expection. It was pretty weak. But I guess you bring this on yourself.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 12:55:51 PM
Did I hit a sore spot or what? Your right, i''m not a professianl talker, I do better when I can think it out, rethink, and check my facts. Plus I don''t have control of the program, so I can''t interupt you to clarify missunderstandings, and a 2 min call is hardly enought time to hash out any important issue with any clarity. If you seriously want to debate some of these issues, you should post more on your web site. Where there is time to analsye, check, reply, the way a real debate works. A two minute call dosn''t really get into the meat of anything, it''s just entertainment, and good at highlighting issues that may have sliped passed so others can go look deeper. a talk radio show realy isn''t the best fourm for true inteletual debate. They have specific definitions that have specific meaning to the subject I am discussing Well, like the smoking thing. You could have taken the time to go into more of the details... who are these anti-smoking groups? all I''ve heard you say about them is the name calling. Have you ever even mentioned thier names or postitions in the community? Who is their leader? who is their spokesman? What is their motive? All I''ve learned about it from your show is they are anti-capitalist commies. I''ve heard you mention the health issues aspect and that some of the science is ""junk science"" well... why not some more details? Any specific studies you can quote? What about finding out what studies and research the antismoking group is basing their position on and telling us the relyablit of those studies? Insted you jsut say their wrong, anyone who supports it is wrong, then people call in and say they agree with you and repeat the reasons you just said. what the hell does that have to do with a bunch of loose-cannon extreamists calling me a racist because they can''t beat me in a debate? Look, I don''t agree with them, but you make an effort to isolate yourself in your extreme right wing retoric. Like I said it''s the same as the super lefties who go on and on about the evil american empire, ""down with capitalism"" while they buy new shoes at the mall... It''s empty retoric... what does calling the antismoking people anti-capitalist add to the debate? As for the racism thing... its pretty much the same thing your doing... not methodicly going over and presenting the evidence, but taking what ever sounds good and going retoric crazy. They are probley upset at your stance on imigration or something (which i pretty much agree with) But insted of methodicly going over the issues and presenting a clearly laid out counter point to your stance, they just say erics a racists blah blah blah. Your walking a very thin line for someone who cowers away from calling in on the air to make your points because you expose a great intellectual weakness when you do. Like I said, I don''t get paid to talk, and don''t have control over the show or enough time to really disscuss an issue... and if i remember when you first started this site you posted quite a bit, untill people started to analyse and dissmantle some of your arguements, then you''ve kinda dissapeared... what happened there? not as fun when you don''t have control over the situation? And I don''t see why you get so offended at an honest critique of your show... Its your show do what you want, I just think it would be a bitt better with more facts and less jabbering... but thats just me. And I understand your just a talk show, your not really there to be super intiletual, if you did it would bore a lot of your listners and they would tune out... And your job, at the end of the day, is nothing more than to get people to tune in... gotta move those units.
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 1:47:14 PM
You were owned Sidewalk. Face it. You jumped on the band wagon and Eric pulled you back on the muddy sidewalk of your reality. Two minutes? I have often heard callers getting a great deal more than 2 minutes air time, myself included. You just have to be interesting, which for you might well be a handicap. As for your true intellectual debates. You are beaten on the facts with near regularity, why would anyone bother taking up your banner? Your claims of honesty in your critique are laughable. Your initial post tacitly accepted the initial racism accusations against Eric and you took the time to beat a good man while you thought you had him down. THEN When an apology would have been most appropriate, you instead seek to demean and belittle Eric''s show as nothing more than ""moving units."" You are dismissed. Hardcore Harry
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 2:30:37 PM
Again, a perfet example.... no reasons or examples just ""your wrong"" and name calling. I can understands Eric''s appeal. I have often heard callers getting a great deal more than 2 minutes air time, myself included Even if you get an entire 15min or however long the segments are thats still only enought time to skim the surface of big issues. People that think that is enough time to get fully explore the deatils of major events are the ones that think CNN, Fox and the cable news networks have ""in depth"" reporting. They don''t, they skim the top like all the rest... for good reason. you instead seek to demean and belittle Eric''s show as nothing more than ""moving units."" You concider that demeaning? Thats his job? Why does radio exist or any media for that matter? What is the structure of our whole economy? profits. Media does that for advertising. meida sells a audience to advertisers, thats their busniess. Thats why CNN and Fox don''t dive into the boring details of world events. The atention span of the american public is very short, if they get board hearing about the complex interrelationships of the world economy they change the channel and miss the Tide commercial. Same holds true for Erics show, hes not there to change the world with the best information he can provide, just to keep you interested to hear about the Sharp Shooters new special. Your claims of honesty in your critique are laughable. Your initial post tacitly accepted the initial racism accusations against Eric and you took the time to beat a good man while you thought you had him down. ????? If I made it seem I think eric is a racist then I must have been unclear. I''ve known racists... Eric is not one. I don''t know how else to prove thats my honest belief. Beat him when he''s down???? I''ve actual thought about posting a topic about this allready but never did. I just think he uses too much jibber jabber name calling insted of diving into more facts. But it''s his show he can do what he wants, I''m sure he has no research team and after 4hours talking on air I don''t think he wants to spend time doing in depth research. Thats fine, but the fact that I have an opinion about his show shouldn''t be taken as an insult. Eric seems like a cool guy sometimes. I don''t agree with him alot of times, but I don''t agree with alot of people, that has no bering on them as a person. Unless its some massive dissagreement, like they like to beat their wife or trip old people, that kind of dissagreement will get you a punch in the mouth.
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 3:38:02 PM
You addressed the racism charge one post too late Sidewalk. Like I said, your initial post reeked of bandwangoning. Hardcore Harry
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

sure... 1/4/2005 4:05:09 PM
You addressed the racism charge one post too late Sidewalk. Like I said, your initial post reeked of bandwangoning. 1/3/2005 6:41 PM Well, that may be a little over board, but sometimes Eric, you kinda bring it own yourself. i think more people on the other side of issues would take you more seriously if you didn''t fill up so much air time with just empty name calling retoric. Yea, I jumped on the ""eric''s a racist band wagon"" I forgot you can''t read...
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Your feeble powers of Justification 1/5/2005 1:02:51 AM
You amaze me with you feeble powers of justification. Just how far is a ""little"" overboard? So, are we to assume that perhaps you entertained a ""little"" merit to the accusations? If not, there is nothing in you statement that dismissed it outright. No. In fact reading it one is left to assume that you embraced it. You certainly DID NOT vehemently denounce it as unjust and uncalled for. Someone calling someone else a racist is a mighty heavy charge. If, as you seem to suggest it is in response for what you call ""empty name calling rhetoric"" on Eric''s behalf it is STILL in no way justified. NO, INstead you do what? You place the blame on Eric for ""bringing"" it on himself. NONSENSE! Yes, I will repeat yet again, YOU tacitly implicated yourself in that post and there is no amount of spin on your part that can put it aright. Again, an apology would have better served your cause. Instead you offer empty excuses. Hardcore Harry
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Sidewalk_Cipher, do you read... 1/4/2005 7:14:16 PM
...even read" name=20743
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Sidewalk_Cipher, do you read... 1/5/2005 9:07:14 AM
Sidewalk_Cipher, do you read...even read ""El Defensor?"" Nope, never have, and I haven''t read the artical that mentions Eirc, thats why I tried to stay away from that part of it. My whole point was Eric paints himself into a right wing cornor with his retoric... Which makes him a target for people who paint themselves into diametricly oposed corners. I have no idea what the artical is acusing him of, so how could I say he didn''t do it, But I also know i''ve never heard any racisim in Eric, so it sounds overboard to me. The debate would be Eric owning you right from the starting gate and you quoting ad nauseum from the two aformentioned sources and or disecting each and every sentence of Eric''s. Guess we will never know... But you have to admit, If you want to challange someone to an open debate, This is really the fare forum for it.
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Re: Re: Sidewalk_Cipher, do you read... 1/5/2005 12:15:40 PM
For the record, it was not I who posted the second part of the issue you rebutted. I assume you were responding to both mine, then, Harry''s quote.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Re: Sidewalk_Cipher, do you read... 1/5/2005 12:30:24 PM
I assume you were responding to both mine, then, Harry''s quote. yup
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Eric has never (en re time)... 1/4/2005 7:12:41 PM
...during the times I have heard him, hung up ona caller. Does anyone ever remember such a time? Additionally, he has given me much time. Lago and O''Reliey are different cases. Lago lets you get in your point, but his minions normally cut off callers that Will" name=20743
randallpretPosts: 747

Re: Eric has never (en re time)... 1/6/2005 5:01:27 AM
Capt, I know I heard Eric do it once and then brag about how he was able to I will admit it was out of character for eric but he did do it. The caller did not make much sense but eric still hung up on him. I can not remember how long ago it was but I know it happened. I have also heard Eric call people morons, idiots, commies and nazis. He called those who want to ban smoking from restuarants, smoke nazis. I don''t see any point in using such names, I don''t care if they are in the dictionary or not, you are getting too personal when you do that. We need to stick to the issues and not make the people we are debating with the issue. I am not a saint and I have slipped up a few times but I do my best to avoid making personal attacks or being hostile towards anyone on here no matter how many personal attacks or hostilies they throw my way and I have had plenty thrown my way.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Re: Re: Eric has never (en re time)... 1/6/2005 12:15:13 PM
I know I once heard him deny someone who wanted to call back who had hung up in a fit of passion...I imagine he (or then Dawn, no Giovanni) would have to cut off a caller that used profanity. As to cutting someone off for not agreeing with them, like Mike Savage...I have yet to see this happen.
randallpretPosts: 747

Re: Re: Re: Eric has never (en re time)... 1/7/2005 4:11:29 AM
I have to concede that I never did hear eric hang up on someone just because they disagreed with him but I have heard him hang up on someone once at least. The caller was trying to talk over him maybe I can not remember. He was an unruly caller from what I remember and I did understand why eric did hang up on him. You have to be careful with what you allow to be put on the air. Mike Savage hangs up someone at the first hint of disagreement sometimes, that is uncalled for but it is his show.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Re: Re: Eric has never (en re time)... 1/7/2005 9:35:38 AM
I have to concede that I never did hear eric hang up on someone just because they disagreed Yea, I can say I''ve never heard him flat out hangup on someone... but he does have that little volume knob he likes to use. If Eric has a point to make, and the caller hasn''t finished or wants to say something, Eric will simply turn them down... say what he wants then let them respond. Its a needed control for a flowing entertaining talkshow, but for a true debate it kind of unevens the playing field.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Political beliefs, Sidewalk... 1/4/2005 7:09:04 PM
...are personal. If you think that someone" name=20743 all
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Seriously.... 1/4/2005 4:15:15 PM
If you want to go toe to toe with me then stop hunkering down behind your computer and be a man. That really is quite a backwards statment. You would rather me call into YOUR show that you control for me to go ""toe to toe"" Why not step out from behind the protection of your volume knob and enter into a debate in a level forum? This is the best place for a true debate, it''s equal on all sides, no one has any advantage over another. You used to... why no more? There is no other motive on the message board other than excange of ideas, no commerical breaks to interfear, no need to keep it catchy and flowing... only true exploration of facts. So, if you dislike me that much, want to go ""toe to toe"" to prove me wrong or what ever stop hiding behind your radio show and step into equal grounds.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Eric and Sidewalk... 1/4/2005 7:16:16 PM
...my I suggest attrending Curtis Rock''s Republican Future Activity on the 20th of January. I will be there and many more would if you two attended!!!
randallpretPosts: 747

Re: Eric and Sidewalk... 1/6/2005 5:06:06 AM
You can count on me being there if I can get the time off. It will be neat and interesting to meet everyone in the person, I just hope no one attempts an assassination of me because I am a communist :).
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: Seriously.... 1/5/2005 12:46:01 AM
A laughable challenge Sidewalk. Let''s see, you would have as your source material Nietzsche and some punk rock band no one has ever heard of. The debate would be Eric owning you right from the starting gate and you quoting ad nauseum from the two aformentioned sources and or disecting each and every sentence of Eric''s. The gauntlet you throw out is as emtpy as your arguments. Hardcore Harry
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Re: Re: Seriously.... 1/5/2005 12:13:17 PM
Harry, Don''t forget denying he [Sidewalk] said things he said! (just kidding, with regards to Sidewalk)
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JAIME KENEDENO/ANTON SCOTT TRYING TO LURE U TO HIS TRAP 1/10/2005 5:06:30 AM
XXX
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XXX IS RAY FERNANDEZ 1/10/2005 6:41:34 AM
AT LEAST AT KENEDYRANCH.
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Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 2:14:19 PM
i think more people on the other side of issues would take you more seriously if you didn''t fill up so much air time with just empty name calling retoric. A GREAT BIG AMEM TO THAT STATEMENT. TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN. BERNIE SEAL GAVE THE OTHER PEOPLE TIME TO TALK. BOTH ""LAGO"" AND ERIC DO NOT DO THIS.
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Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 4:33:59 PM
Actually sidewalk_cipher I believe you have it all wrong here. I picked up a copy of the December 14, 2004 print eddition of the ''El Defenzor''paper from Enrique''s Mexican Food today and read the article in question partaining to the accussations against the talk show host Eric Von Wade. The name calling and racist statements seem to be directed against Eric Von Wade and not from him towards others. Try to stick to the topic and we may be able to make some forward progress. However, name calling from either side is very unproductive and inflamatory. Go read the article for yourself, then try to make some educated comments on the matter in question. That is what I did. Thank you Mr. Sidewalk_cipher and others.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 4:39:52 PM
I haven''t read the artical and wasn''t commenting on it. My comments were about Erics show in general, I''ve been thinking it for a while and was acctually gonna make a post about it but then this poped up so I put it hear. while eric is a name caller it''s more toward the lefties, I don''t think i''ve ever heard him say anything ""racists"" or called anyone race based names. sorry for the confusion.
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Sidewalk... 1/4/2005 7:18:22 PM
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HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/5/2005 1:08:36 AM
I believe the apology should be directed with sincertity toward the offended party Sidewalk. Hardcore Harry
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/5/2005 9:06:10 AM
I believe the apology should be directed with sincertity toward the offended party Sidewalk.I believe the apology should be directed with sincertity toward the offended party Sidewalk. Ok, sorry your a dummy...
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 7:00:58 PM
Your words represent a seperate issue.
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Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/3/2005 10:38:58 PM
I have been listening to your program for some time now and I find it completely wrong of such a newspaper to attack someone whom they obviously don''t know very well. Not only did they attack you, but they didn''t even let you defend yourself. Why is that? What are you opponents affaid of? What do they not want the rest of us to know? I am interested in what is the real reason we are hearing about this now? If anyone knows anymore please comment.
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Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/3/2005 10:48:18 PM
I looked at that http: and I didn''t see anything that said Eric''s name in there, why didn''t someone put down which post is was and what did it start with. Here we go again someone always has to say they are offended and that they were the ones being talked about, some people never grow up man.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/4/2005 12:59:33 AM
The Article is in the actual print edition of Defenzor issue before Christmas. It has Mr Von Wade in Bold letters! I will be supporting my claim with a hand delivered copy if Mr Von Wade cannot obtain one himself. Hell they should have sent him a copy since he was the subject. I am only informing Mr Von Wade of this occurrence. I do have issues with this Newspaper and I do beleive in many of the Newspapers Causes. But to me it is not about ethnicity or color!
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

King Ranch: A Tickler of Events to Come! 1/4/2005 2:08:28 AM
Isn''t it intriguing that the voting boxes that determined LBJ''s election were controlled by a man who worked for the interests that controlled our drug-running railroad in Laredo-- the Tex Mex? Is it the same drug network in Florida that controls those Broward County boxes? The same man was implicated in the death of the son of a South Texas attorney, alleged to have been killed by Mexican assassins mentioned in the Torbitt Document as having been involved in the Kennedy assassination. DUVAL COUNTY. Duval County (Q-15) is in south central Texas about fifty miles inland from the Gulf of Mexicoqv and seventy-three miles north of the Rio Grande. It is bordered by Webb, La Salle, McMullen, Live Oak, Jim Wells, Brooks, and Jim Hogg counties. San Diego, the county seat and most populous town, is on the Texas Mexican Railroad at the intersection of State highways 44 and 359 and Farm road 1329, about fifty-two miles west of Corpus Christi and eighty miles east of Laredo. Duval County''s reputation for political corruption peaked with Lyndon B. Johnson''s election to the United States Senate in 1948. The famous Box 13, which gave Johnson his eighty-seven-vote victory, was actually in Jim Wells County, but the manipulation of the returns was almost certainly directed by Parr. In the 1900 presidential election Duval County went Republican, but since that time, thanks largely to the efficiency of the Parr machine and the customary tendency of Hispanics to vote for Democrats, the county has delivered majorities to the Democratic party on the order of 94 percent in 1916, 98 percent in 1932, 95 percent in 1936, 96 percent in 1940, 95 percent in 1944, 97 percent in 1948, and 93 percent in 1964. In fact, only once between 1916 and 1972 did the Democratic candidate receive less than 74 percent of the vote in Duval County; that year, 1956, a mere 68 percent voted Democratic. Even after the demise of the Parr machine in 1975 Democrats continued to dominate. In the 1988 and 1992 presidential elections 82 percent of the county''s voters cast ballots for the Democratic candidate. See: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/DD/hcd11.html The remainder of Parr''s political career was highlighted by a seemingly endless series of spectacular scandals, involving election fraud, graft on the grand scale, and violence. His most celebrated scheme decided the outcome of the United States Senate race between Coke R. Stevenson and Lyndon B. Johnson in 1948. With Stevenson the apparent winner, election officials in Jim Wells County, probably acting on Parr''s orders, reported an additional 202 votes for Johnson a week after the primary runoff and provided the future president with his eighty-seven-vote margin of victory for the whole state. Amid charges of fraud, the voting lists disappeared. Even more sordid controversies followed. As strong challenges from the Freedom party, consisting mainly of World War II veterans, developed in several South Texas counties, including Duval, two critics of Parr''s rule and the son of another met violent deaths. While denying Parr''s involvement in two of the killings, his biographer, Dudley Lynch, concedes that the evidence against Parr in the shooting of the son of Jacob Floyd, an attorney for the Freedom party, was both ""highly circumstantial"" and ""highly incriminating."" After this third murder, Governor Allan Shivers, Texas attorney general John Ben Shepperd, and federal authorities launched all-out campaigns to destroy the Parr machine. Investigations of the 1950s produced over 650 indictments against ring members, but Parr survived the indictments and his own conviction for federal mail fraud through a complicated series of dismissals and reversals on appeal. In the face of another legal offensive in the 1970s and a rebellion within his own organization, he finally relented. While appealing a conviction and five-year sentence for federal income tax evasion, the Duke of Duval committed suicide at his ranch, Los Harcones, on April 1, 1975. See also Boss Rule. http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/PP/fpa36.html While you can''t play ""what-if"" with any certainty, you have to wonder whether the area from San Antonio and Corpus Christi south would have known the same emptiness that prevailed in the in-between sections of Tamaulipas, Nuevo León, Coahuila, and Chihuahua if the Anglos hadn''t turned their particular talents and drives Valleyward. It started as a land of great ranches, which in themselves invite sparse settlement, and it might have remained as untaken as the country between Del Rio and Fort Stockton if Colonel Uriah Lott had not perceived that with a railroad, the Valley could become a year-round fruit and vegetable garden for much of the United States. Lott buttonholed B. F. Yoakum, who at the beginning of the twentieth century sent Captain J. E. Hinckley reconnoitering through the Valley into Mexico to find a way of tapping the riches-almost entirely potential-on either side of the border. He enlisted the irresistible enthusiasm of Theodore Roosevelt, who envisioned a road that would eventually extend all the way through Central America, where he had designs on the Panama Isthmus. Anglo American survey crews came in, built a steel bridge between Brownsville and Matamoros suitable for locomotives or buggies, and began planning other routes that would connect such diverse places geographically as New Orleans, San Antonio, Memphis, and Chicago. Down in Mexico, President Porfirio Diaz, who welcomed yanqui development (translated sometimes as exploitation), encouraged Yoakum and his cohorts, and even offered to help underwrite the cost. Some of the Anglos backing Yoakum remain memorable names three-quarters of a century after the event-Robert J. Kleberg, Robert Driscoll Sr., John G. Kenedy, Caesar Kleberg, and John J. Welder--to name only a few. On January 12, 1903, they received their charter to do business as the St. Louis, Brownsville, and Mexico Railway, to extend from Sinton to Brownsville, with reticulation of future roads to branch northward and eastward from there. The foundation of the paper work for connecting the Valley with the United States and Texas had been laid. Actually, the Anglos had been in the Valley since the period of the War against Mexico. They had been slow to arrive because the area from the Nueces River to the Rio Grande was disputed. Mexico had refused to accept Santa Ana''s cession of the region to Texas, which meant that an enormous region in truth belonged to no one. Or worse, to whoever could take and hold it. It would have been comparable to a modern Lebanon except that fortunately it was empty of people. Then developers brought in the St. Louis, Brownsville, and Mexico Railway. The year was 1903, two decades after Texas had shut down land grants to railroads. No help would come from that source. Rumors of incoming railroads had been spread before, but no rails or locomotives had been seen. But like the neglected maiden who suddenly has three suitors, Brownsville began to be courted by the Southern Pacific and the Frisco-Rock Island, as well as the St. Louis, Brownsville, and Mexico railroads. The town fathers voted to raise a bonus of 12,000 acres on either side of the projected road to the distance of four miles, plus $40,000 in cash, and forty to fifty acres within Brownsville itself for depot grounds plus twenty more acres for shops. The list of endorsers reads like a Who''s Who of Texas for the first half of the twentieth century. Up in St. Louis, another syndicate of almost a hundred business leaders were banding together to see that the railroad got underway. The bulk of the capital would have to come out of Missouri. Ironically, the railroad that brought in the Yankees and the high-gear economy to the Valley went into receivership in 1913, a condition brought on largely by insufficient freight. When the Valley began its boom in the 1920s, the railroad came back, only to run into the growth of the trucking industry. See: http://www.public-humanities.org/tjfall97.html Dutch-born Uriah Lott, who had secured the financial assistance of Mifflin Kenedy and Richard King in the building of the Texas-Mexican Railroad to Laredo, was also hoping to give the Lower Valley the same access to the ""outside world."" A railroad to the Lower Valley would also give Corpus Christi another rail outlet. In 1889, consequently, Lott received a charter to build the St. Louis, Brownsville and Mexico Railway. A.M. French, chief engineer on the project, ran several different lines to the river, but eventually agreed on a road that would join the Texas-Mexican Railroad some fifteen miles west of Corpus Christi at what is today Robstown. After sod was broken on the line on July 26, 1903, sweaty laborers set out hacking a right-of-way through the brush south toward the Lower Valley. See: http://riceinfo.rice.edu/armadillo/Past/Book/Part2/railroad.html A native of New York and a steamboat pilot and captain by trade, King came from Florida to Texas and the Rio Grande in 1847 for Mexican War service. Commanding the steamboat, Colonel Cross , he served for the War''s duration, transporting troops and supplies for the United States Army. He remained on the border after the Mexican War and became a partner in the Brownsville steamboat firms of M. Kenedy & Company (1850-1866) and its successor, King, Kenedy & Company (1866-1874). The principal partners were Richard King, Mifflin Kenedy (1818-1895) and Charles Stillman (1810-1875). These firms dominated the Rio Grande trade, on a near monopolistic scale, for more than two decades. See: http://www.king-ranch.com/sideshow1.htm Between 1862 and 1865 Stillman, King, and Kenedy transported Confederate cotton to Matamoros under contract for payment in gold. Stillman bought much of the cotton and sent it to his textile complex at Monterrey, but he sold even more of it in New York through his mercantile firm, Smith and Dunning. The United States government was a major purchaser. On one sale at Manhattan Stillman netted $18,851 on a gross of $21,504. His cotton buyers in Texas included George W. Brackenridge, and one of his major suppliers was Thomas William House [father of Col. E.M. House]. By the end of the war Stillman was one of the richest men in America. He concentrated his investments in the National City Bank of New York, which his son James later controlled, and supplied Brackenridge with $200,000 in the 1870s in order to establish the San Antonio National Bank. Stillman married Elizabeth Pamela Goodrich of Wethersfield, Connecticut, on August 17, 1849. He built a notable home in Brownsville in 1850 and lived in Brownsville and New York City until 1866, when he moved permanently to New York. He died there in December 1875. See: http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/SS/fst57.html Henrietta King In 1854, King had married Henrietta Maria Morse Chamberlain, a Presbyterian missionary''s daughter. King Ranch Archives describe Henrietta King as mild-mannered with an iron will which carried her through the prolonged absences of her husband. She had been well-schooled, and was known to give polish and luster to her well-known, generous husband. She also proved she had fortitude, when, pregnant with her fifth child, she was present at the Ranch when the Union cavalry raided Rancho de Santa Gertrudis in 1863. Although the family moved to San Antonio following the raid, she moved them back in 1866 to continue the King family''s ties to the land. Upon her husband''s death when she was 53, Mrs. King controlled a vast area of South Texas and a business that was immensely successful, but not without problems. She immediately turned to Robert J. Kleberg Sr., a young lawyer who had been involved in the Ranch''s legal business for several years. She appointedhim business manager on Jan. 1, 1886; six months later, he became her son-in-law when he married the youngest King daughter, Alice Gertrudis. Under Mrs. King''s and Kleberg''s guidance, cross fences were built to divide the sprawling acres into manageable pastures. They embarked on a brush control program. They suffered through South Texas'' most crippling natural occurrence, drought. They helped to build the town of Kingsville in 1903-04. And continuing Captain King''s prowess in diversifying, the Ranch became involved in banking, lumber, leather goods, newspapers and publishing, retail businesses and dairy farming. Under her leadership and that of Robert Kleberg, the Ranch''s South Texas holdings had grown to 1.2 million acres, 94,000 head of cattle, 4,500 horses and mules, and 1,000 sheep and goats. Estate taxes, operational debt and lawsuits challenging the estate''s division caused uncertainty. In her will, she stipulated a 10-year trust to give her heirs time to settle differences and arrange her affairs and assets. Her ultimate goal was to preserve the King Ranch as a single entity according ""to my wishes and the wishes and views of my late husband, Captain Richard King."" In response, Alice King Kleberg, Henrietta''s youngest daughter and Robert''s wife, consolidated much of King Ranch by buying out other heirs. Thus, in 1934, Mrs. Kleberg created King Ranch, Inc., and it was this entity that inherited Alice''s part of the Ranch as well as the other property which she had purchased. She sold stock in the new corporation to her five children, and descendants of Robert and Alice Kleberg are the 60-some shareholders of today''s King Ranch. From a Family Business to a Corporate Environment. The last quarter of the 20th Century has brought further changes to King Ranch. Since 1977, all overseas ranching operations except for that in Brazil was sold. The King Ranch''s Corporate History statement credits James H. Clement and his successor John B. Armstrong with guiding the Company to eliminate debt and ""...through the difficult Texas business environment of the 1980s and (they) oversaw the painful, and sometimes stormy, transition from a family business enterprise to the present corporate structure with outside directorship and professional management."" Since 1988, the King Ranch Chief Executive Officer has not been a King family member, although the corporate board of directors still includes some descendants. By the early 1970''s, King Ranch holdings totaled, worldwide, approximately 11.5 million acres. In 1974, with the death of Bob Kleberg and Dick, Jr., in poor health, the Family selected James H. Clement, Sr., the husband of King''s great granddaughter Ida Larkin, as President and CEO. Together with successor John B. Armstrong (husband to King''s great granddaughter, Henrietta Larkin), Clement steered the Ranch though the difficult Texas business environment of the 1980''s. They also oversaw the transition from a Family business to a modern corporate structure -- based primarily on the lines of business established in the early years. Eventually, many of the foreign operations were liquidated as the focus shifted back to the traditional domestic lines of business. See: http://www.king-ranch.com/legend.htm See: http://archives.tamuk.edu/database/House.htm (Wedding Announcement - Henrietta Kleberg Larkin to Thomas Reeves Armstrong) Armstrongs mix gentility, old-fashioned Texas ranching Cowboys and candidates, princes and presidents have visited over the years By Mary Lee Grant © July 13, 1999 Caller-Times http://www.caller.com/1999/july/13/today/local_ne/3122.html ARMSTRONG - In the brush country south of Sarita, a few miles east of U.S. Highway 77, sophistication and political power have mixed with the independence of Texas pioneers. Here, 6-foot-4-inch Tobin Armstrong, the descendant of a Texas Ranger and a Yale scholar, and the petite brunette, Anne Armstrong, former U.S. ambassador to Great Britain, hold court. Guests at the 50,000-acre ranch have included former president George Bush; his son and presidential candidate Gov. George W. Bush, the Rockefellers and Prince Charles. Armstrong Ranch still is an old-fashioned Texas ranch, run by Tobin Armstrong, who oversees it by Suburban and mobile telephone. A colony of cowboys who live in houses surrounding the big house work the 2,500 Santa Gertrudis cattle while riding thoroughbred horses, the Armstrong version of cow ponies. ""One of the best things about this ranch is that it is a grandchild magnet,"" said Tobin Armstrong, who has five children and 12 grandchildren, who visit the ranch frequently. The Armstrong Ranch was purchased in 1852 and settled in 1882 by John Armstrong III, a Texas Ranger from Tennessee. He had come to South Texas to clean up the border and became famous for capturing the notorious outlaw John Wesley Hardin. His sons combined the sophistication of an East Coast education with the ruggedness of a ranch upbringing. Charlie Armstrong, Tobin Armstrong''s father, graduated from Yale in 1908 and returned to South Texas to manage the ranch. Charlie''s brother, Tom Armstrong, graduated from Princeton and Harvard Law School before going to work as an executive for Standard Oil Co. The Armstrongs were instrumental in bringing polo to South Texas, and when Prince Charles came to visit, Tobin arranged a match for him on the ranch''s polo field. ""I never rode a bought horse,"" Armstrong said. ""I raised and trained my own thoroughbreds."" Tobin Armstrong was tutored at home until he was 9, when he was sent to private school in San Antonio. He attended the University of Texas and Texas A&M University. Ties between the Armstrong Ranch and the King Ranch always have been close. Tobin''s older brother, John Armstrong, married the King Ranch''s Henrietta Kleberg, and his uncle, Tom, married her mother, Henrietta Kleberg Larkin. John Armstrong was the last family member to serve as president of the King Ranch. Despite the international circles in which they move, the Armstrongs are still ranchers to the core, talking of weather and rainfall as readily as business and politics. ""Look how green the grass is,'''' Anne Armstrong said on a recent hot day. ""We haven''t had it like this for several years. It will be good for the cattle."" Staff writer Mary Lee Grant can be reached at 886-3752 or by e-mail at grantm@caller.com ANNE LEGENDRE ARMSTRONG Armstrong, Anne Legendre (1927-...), was the first woman to serve as United States ambassador to Britain. President Gerald R. Ford appointed her to the office, which she held in 1976 and 1977. She had previously been the first woman to hold the Cabinet-level post of counselor to the president. She was named to that position by President Richard M. Nixon in 1972 and served under both Nixon and Ford. Anne Legendre was born in New Orleans and graduated from Vassar College. She married Tobin Armstrong, a Texas cattle rancher, in 1950. She served as vice chairman of the Texas Republican Party from 1966 to 1968. In 1971 and 1972, she was cochairman of the Republican National Committee. As counselor to the President, Armstrong was a member of the president''s Domestic Council, the Council on Wage and Price Stability, and the Commission on the Organization of Government for the Conduct of Foreign Policy. Source: http://school.discovery.com/homeworkhelp/worldbook/atozhistory/a/723253.html CURRENT SEC FILINGS RE: ANNE L. ARMSTRONG: http://www.secinfo.com/$/SEC/Name.asp?X=anne+l%2E+armstrong ""Anne L. Armstrong"" Latest Filing: 3/29/0 as Signatory As: Signatory (Director, Officer, Attorney, Accountant, Banker, Agent, etc.) List All Filings as Signatory Search Recent Filings (as Signatory) for ""Anne L. Armstrong"" ""Anne L. Armstrong"" has been a Signatory for the following 11 Registrants: American Express Co American Express Co Capital Trust I American Express Co Capital Trust II Boise Cascade Corp Boise Cascade Trust I Boise Cascade Trust II Boise Cascade Trust III General Motors Capital Trust D General Motors Capital Trust G General Motors Corp Halliburton Co ANNE L. ARMSTRONG, 71, Regent, Texas A&M University System; Member, Board of Trustees, Center for Strategic and International Studies; Member, National Security Advisory Board, Department of Defense; former Chairman of the President''s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, 1981-1990; former Ambassador to Great Britain; joined Halliburton Company Board in 1977; Chairman of the Health, Safety and Environment Committee and member of the Management Oversight and the Nominating and Corporate Governance Committees; Director of American Express Company and Boise Cascade Corporation. Source: http://www.secinfo.com/dScRa.6Mx.htm 1931. Following his election to the House of Representatives in November 1931, Congressman Richard Kleberg asked Johnson to come to Washington to work as his secretary. Johnson held the job for over three years and learned how the Congress worked. See: http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/archives.hom/biographys.hom/lbj_bio.asp LBJ was a sleeper put in power by the King Ranch, which as was shown in part I of this series, is closely tied to Anne Armstrong, is a director of Halliburton. In 1942 until he left public office, LBJ was financed completely by Brown and Root, now part of Halliburton. In 1960 LBJ was thrust upon Kennedy as his vice president so LBJ could carry Texas for Kenney. LBJ had proved in 1948 that he and his team could guarantee winning the Texas vote. In 1963 Kennedy was killed most likely by an assassination network operated by the King Ranch group and Clint Murchison in Mexico. Murchison was, of course, very close to Rockefeller. As soon as LBJ became president, he escalated the war in Vietnam, which primarily benefited Brown and Root. If this year''s election fraud is allowed to stand, what does Halliburton, headed by Dick Cheney, have planned for us? Although individual men die a generation at a time, networks of families live on. That is what Cheney represents. Thus it comes as no surprise to see what is happening in the presidential election is focused at the moment on Broward and Palm Beach Counties, Florida. A network such as Cheney represents is always prepared for any exigency. This same network was prepared to carry the vote in 1948 when Lyndon Johnson ran for the United States Senate. But Johnson was a Democrat, you say! Not so. He was an egotist and a pragmatist-- he did whatever he had to do to promote Lyndon. His opportunity to broaden his horizons came during the Depression, when he was offered a job in Congress working for a man, seemingly not unlike George W. Bush, a scion of a wealthy ranching family in South Texas with no real abilities or interests, who was elected to Congress on his name and needed someone to do the work for him--Congressman Kleborg. Part One of this series showed the history of Congressman Kleberg, and the King Ranch which his family owned--a ranch which was acquired with profits made from the shipping of contraband munitions during the Mexican War--a war orchestrated by persons who used Barbara Bush''s ancestor, Franklin Pierce, to take the land south of the Nueces River from Mexico after Texas was annexed as a state. The ranches in this territory, owned by Richard King, Mifflin Kenedy and their partner Charles Stillman, operated as a buffer between the U.S. and Mexico. Resentful Mexicans, who felt their land had been stolen from them, engaged in continual raids across the new Rio Grande border. To counteract these raids, the Texas ranchers used the Texas Rangers, commanded by William G. Tobin to chase away the raiding parties. Tobin''s family has continued its ties with the King Ranch family ever since. The Tobin family is intermarried with the King-Kleberg family and with the Armstrongs of San Antonio, Texas. From the present generation springs Anne Armstrong, who is a director of Halliburton alongside Dick Cheney. She has also served on the board of American Express with Henry Kissinger and Vernon Jordan--not to mention having been in London as Ambassador to the Court of St. James. British banking interests have been interested in the King Ranch since as early as 1882 when Mifflin Kenedy sold his adjoining ranch to a syndicate of Dundee, Scotland, called the Texas Land & Cattle Co., Ltd. (See The King Ranch Tom Lea). Within a year of that sale, King considered selling to the syndicate, but the deal was never closed. Another syndicate of unnamed eastern capitalists attempted to buy the ranch in 1907, the same year that Bostonian F.S. Pearson was involved in building railroads from Mexico through west and north Texas to connect to St. Louis. In 1902 the ranchers turned to B.F. Yoakum, friend of Uriah Lott, the creator of the Tex-Mex Railroad. As a result, a corporation was formed with shareholders including the Kings, Klebergs, Armstrongs, Kenedys and others--with Uriah Lott as president. The railroad became the St. Louis, Brownsville & Mexican Railway--which like so many other railroads built by Lott was financed by G.H. Walker & Co. of St. Louis. WAS LBJ A TOOL OF THE DRUG LORDS? Once Lyndon Johnson began to make himself heard in Congress, he quickly attracted the attention of Franklin Roosevelt. He was groomed for many of the endeavors he would use to make his name by FDR backers such as Joe Alsop, who had begun his undercover intelligence career in the O.S.S. Alsop and his brother Stewart were related to FDR by marriage on his mother''s side--the Delano family whose role in the opium trade has been documented previously on this website--as well as being the sons of Eleanor''s first cousin, Corinne Robinson Alsop . In fact, it was Joe Alsop who in 1963 repeatedly suggested to Johnson that the only way to keep the Washington Post off his back was to appoint the Warren Commission to investigate the assassination. The Alsop, Delano, Roosevelt and Forbes families of Boston and New York were interwoven by marriage and by financial investment in enterprises such as the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad. These families stem from a syndicate created by Thomas Handasyd Perkins of Newburyport, Massachusetts--forced out of the lucrative African slave trade to establish an alternative shipping empire based on opium. By the 1830s, the Russells had bought out the Perkins syndicate and made Connecticut the primary center of the U.S. opium racket. Massachusetts families (Coolidge, Sturgis, Forbes and Delano) joined Connecticut (Alsop) and New York (Low) smuggler-millionaires under the Russell auspices. http://www.tarpley.net/bush7.htm This account is supported by historical research conducted by John K. Fairbank in his 1968 article for the American Historical Association, posted at http://www.theaha.org/info/AHA_History/jkfairbank.htm . Fairbank indicates that the opium profits were invested in the Chicago, Burlington & Quincy Railroad and the Michigan Central. A man named John N. Alsop Griswold of New York, a Russell & Company partner at Shanghai, returned to become president of the Illinois Central in 1855 and was later chairman of the CB &Q. The CB & Q was, of course, based in St. Louis, and it constituted the northern extension of the same railroad that dipped southerly into Mexico through Kingsville and Laredo. It was financed by the same opium profits. See the NewsMakingNews article at http://www.newsmakingnews.com/lmharvardpart3.htm This railroad now stretches from Mexico to Canada under the control of the Burlington Northern Santa Fe. http://www.tmm.com.mx/english/ihistoria/inuevatmm3.htm This railroad was the primary beneficiary of NAFTA. It is also steeped in allegations of drug smuggling. http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/wardrugs.html and http://www.insightmag.com/archive/200007103.shtml Alsop was aided in his handling of Johnson by Floridian, Phil Graham, the son-in-law of Eugene Meyer--the only man besides Bush''s Uncle Herbie who is known to have invested in George H.W. Bush''s first oil company in Midland, Texas. In December 1959, in preparation for the 1960 election, Graham was already busy planning how to clinch the Democratic nomination for Lyndon. As soon as Phil realized that Johnson was not going to make it, he hatched the plan for Kennedy to select Johnson as his running mate. Johnson himself would later credit Phil with pushing Kennedy to choose him. He told biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin that Phil ""told Kennedy to make me vice president."" Once Kennedy clinched the nomination, Phil and Joseph Alsop hurried to his suite at the Biltmore and explained the virtues of Johnson as running mate....According to Pierre Salinger, John Kennedy''s press secretary, Phil [Graham] was one of the elite group of journalists--others were Ben Bradlee, Joe Alsop, Walter Lippmann--who could simply pick up the telephone and call JFK. They were very close. But the man who really gets credit for electing LBJ is usually said to be George R. Brown of Brown & Root. In the 1930''s the Brown brothers were in a two-bit construction business, paving the streets of small towns in Central Texas. Almost overnight, in 1942 after teaming up with Johnson, they won their first government contract to build a dam, then a naval air station in Corpus Christi, near the district Cong. Kleberg had represented. Their next opportunity was to expand into shipbuilding. By 1947 George Brown was placed on the boards of a number of multi-national corporations with interlocking directorates. During George Brown''s tenure on the ITT board other directors included Allan Kirby, an heir to the Woolworth fortune, Robert Young, a former stockbroker turned railroad tycoon connected with Allegheny Corp., and Robert McKinney-Young''s cousin-of Davis Manufacturing. The names Allan Kirby and Robert Young provide a strong clue to Brown''s other connections. Allan Kirby had had virtual control of Allegheny since 1937. Solomon Warfield had secured a number of shares of Allegheny preferred stock, ""issued in a storm of controversy by the banker J.P. Morgan, who was a chief investor for King George VI and Queen Elizabeth at the time they were Duke and Duchess of York,"" for his niece, Wallis Simpson (later the Duchess of Windsor), which she inherited upon his death in 1927. This stock had always been her ""first investment favorite,"" according to her biographer Charles Higham. When the Duke and Duchess became friends with Robert Young, allegedly after being introduced by mutual friend Robert Foskett after they moved to the Bahamas, Young and his wife Anita became one of their few close friends. Both Foskett and Young were directors of Allegheny and lived in Palm Beach, Florida. By 1941 Young owned a controlling interest in the Allegheny Corporation, a holding company which owned the Chesapeake and Ohio Railroad of Baltimore. In 1954, after a long proxy struggle, and with the aid of fellow Texans Clinton Williams Murchison, Sr., and Sid Williams Richardson, Young gained control of the New York Central and became the chairman of its board. On January 25, 1958, Young apparently committed suicide with a shotgun at his winter mansion in Palm Beach, Florida. http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/view/YY/fyo12.html Before his death, Young had convinced Murchison to entertain the Duke and Duchess and their entourage at his secluded ranch in the interior of Mexico in January 1950. This is the same ranch that has been alleged to have been used as a haven for the assassination team which operated out of the King Ranch. http://www.newsmakingnews.com/torbitt.htm There was testimony given in a Texas murder trial that there were twenty-five to thirty professional assassins kept in Mexico by the espionage section of the U. S. Federal Bureau of Investigation; that these men were used to commit political assassinations all over North, South and Central America, the East European countries and in Russia; that these men were the absolute world''s most accurate riflemen; they sometimes took private contracts to kill in the United States; that the contact man for employment of the riflemen was a man named Bowen posing as an American Council of Christian Churches'' missionary in Mexico; that you could reach Bowen through the owner of the St. Anthony''s Hotel in Laredo, Texas. Albert Alexander Osborne, alias John Howard Bowen, alias J.H. Owen, a charter member and employee of the A.C.C.C., met Lee Harvey Oswald and accompanied him to Mexico City in late September of 1963. Osborne, alias John Howard Bowen, was discovered to have another person working with him who also used the alias John Howard Bowen. The second person also traveling as Bowen was Fred Lee Crismon, another agent for the munitions makers police agency, the Defense Industrial Security Command. Crismon also posed as a missionary and also used other aliases. Among the cognomens for Crismon were Fred Lee, Jon Gould and Jon Gold. Osborne and Crismon also bore a marked resemblance and appeared to be about the same age. Crismon was a Syrian immigrant and had been closely associated with Osborne since the 1920''s. Crismon, Osborne and their riflemen charges in Mexico were based at Clint Murchison''s huge ranch when not posing as missionaries in other areas of Mexico.
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Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/3/2005 10:50:20 PM
Jaime what in the heck is the Fernandz cause?
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Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/3/2005 11:00:30 PM
I believe (although I am not sure) that Mr. Kenedero was talking about the Fernandez Cause which has to do with a blood line existing from the Kenedy bloodline. It speeks of the possibilities on the website mentioned in the posting above. I think that it is ''Kenedyranch.net''. I didn''t see the accusations on the website either, but I don''t believe that people should not publically mis-inform people. Fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate. People fear what they don''t know or understand. I would also like to see the article for myself.
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Here is some more insight? 1/3/2005 11:34:49 PM
Letters To The Editor -- Corpus Christi Caller-Times, Sept. 26, 2004 ""Dont Fear Truth"" by Claude V. D''Unger The Caller-Times recently reported that the Texas Supreme Court is considering weighing in on the effort of Dr. Ray Fernandez to secure DNA testing of the remains of South Texas rancher, John G. Kenedy Jr. Fernandez, the Nueces County medical examiner, is trying to determine once and for all, if he is a direct descendant of Kenedy. To do this, it is necessary to exhume the late rancher . Kenedy''s estate and that of his sister are worth hundreds of millions of dollars and are basically left in a charitable trust and foundation. The Catholic Church is probably the largest beneficiary of this largess. The trust, foundation and church seem deeply concerned about the perceived loss of a dead person''s money. It appears all of the custodians, trustees, lawyers, as well as the church are ready to spend whatever it takes to prevent one thing -- the truth. No one has stepped up and said, ""Let''s get to the truth of the matter."" After all, DNA testing can go either way. Fear of the truth isn''t healthy and trying to hide it is even worse. There is no moral justification for hiding or trying to hide the truth about Ray Fernandez''s lineage, whatever it may be. Signed: Claude V. D''Unger
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Texas Monthly Article 1/3/2005 11:38:39 PM
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This is the Case the Fernandez Cause is Based on! 1/3/2005 11:31:45 PM
Kenedy Mystique Senior editor Gary Cartwright on researching the Kenedy family, one of the state''s ranching dynasties. Interview by Lauren Smith Appeared in The Texas Monthly (Sept edition) texasmonthly.com: How did you first hear about the possibility of Johnny Kenedy''s body being exhumed? Gary Cartwright: There were a number of newspaper stories about the Kenedys and the Fernandez family in the Austin American-Statesman and other newspapers starting in January when Judge Guy Herman first issued an order to exhume the body. Pamela Colloff, another Texas Monthly senior editor, had also gathered some material on the subject and put me in touch with a former TM intern now working at the Corpus Christi Caller-Times who had some firsthand knowledge of what was happening in Kenedy County. Pam has a great knack for pitching a story idea, and her pitch was so compelling that I realized I''d better stake claim to this story before she jerked it away from me. texasmonthly.com: Did you ever visit Sarita at a time when it was not so desolate? Have you seen photos of the place during its ""French Riviera of Texas"" days? GC: I had probably driven past Sarita before, without knowing it. If you drive U.S. 77 from Kingsville to Brownsville, you pass right by Sarita, but all you can see from the highway is a blinking yellow light and a water tower off in the distance. But no, I never saw it during its prime. In the early 1900''s, when the railroad first reached Sarita, there was a small land boom as promoters tried to lure people from the frigid Midwest to what they were billing as ""California Texas."" For various reasons—including the constant threat of hurricanes—it never took off. The little town of Riviera, which is five miles north of Sarita, was founded by a speculator from St. Paul who thought Baffin Bay, which separates the northern part of the Kenedy ranch from a section of the King ranch, looked like the French Riviera. He built a fancy hotel on a wide boulevard lined with palm trees and a dance pavilion that extended out over the bay. A hurricane in 1916, I think it was, wiped him out. You can still see part of the foundation of the hotel in the community of Riviera Beach, and some of the pilings from the old pavilion still stick out of the water. I have seen the French Riviera, and believe me, it looks nothing like Baffin Bay. texasmonthly.com: Who or what were your main sources in gathering this extensive history? GC: A book titled If You Love Me You Will Do My Will, by Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth, told the story of Sarita Kenedy East (and, by extension, the entire Kenedy family), and it was probably my best source. There were several other books, including TM writer-at-large Don Graham''s wonderful history of the King ranch, Kings of Texas, that were helpful. Then I found a treasure trove of information at the Kenedy Ranch Museum of South Texas, in Sarita. A number of third and fourth generation vaqueros and their families still live in Sarita, and they were all interested in being interviewed—at least those who spoke English. texasmonthly.com: How long did it take to compile the time line? GC: The book on Sarita Kenedy East that I just mentioned had a family history chart, and I located another chart at the museum in Sarita. Also, the Austin law firm that represents the Fernandez family had done extensive research on the Kenedy family and had a lot of information that it made available to me. The lawyers for the Kenedy foundation and the Kenedy trust were helpful too. I took me four or five weeks to absorb everything to the point where I could make sense of it. Senior executive editor Paul Burka, who edited the article, has a talent for organizing complicated family histories—he also edited a similar article I did on the Waggoner ranch last fall—and he helped me enormously. texasmonthly.com: Is it difficult to write a story with such a great deal of background information? GC: It is indeed difficult to write this kind of story. Sometimes you have so much information that you get lost in the mass of it. I have learned to take it slow and to rewrite many times until it becomes clear in my mind. On the other hand, this story was easier than some because (with the exception of the lawyers) there were no living antagonists to negotiate. I hate getting caught between two embattled parties, which it often the case in journalism. texasmonthly.com: In your story, Ray Fernandez says his quest is about ""my mom and our family."" Do you believe that? GC: Yes, I believed Ray completely. He was almost painfully honest. At first I was cynical—I''m always cynical when there is a great deal of money at stake—but Ray had such a strong emotional commitment to his family and to solving the mystery of his heritage that my doubts were quickly resolved. texasmonthly.com: Why is the Kenedy ranch so important to Texas? GC: This was one of the great ranches of Texas, smaller than the King ranch next door but in some ways more traditionally Texas. The Kenedy family was instrumental in bringing the railroad to South Texas. texasmonthly.com: If you could have interviewed just one of the deceased Kenedys, whom would you have picked? Why? GC: Sarita Kenedy East interested me more than the others. She was a tough, strong-willed woman, yet in many ways vulnerable. She apparently felt comfortable moving among the families of her vaqueros and went out of her way to help them. She must have been something of a cowgirl, able to ride and shoot and drink whiskey with the best of them. She was also a devout Catholic, as were many of the people I met in South Texas, and proud of her Mexican heritage. I think it would have been fun to share a glass of whiskey with Sarita and to talk about ranch life. texasmonthly.com: What did most of the people you encountered think about exhuming Johnny Kenedy''s body? GC: People in Sarita seemed divided on the subject. Many of them objected on religious grounds: One does not disturb the dead. But some of them thought that digging up the body and testing it for DNA was the only fair thing to do. I think many of them had empathy with Maria Rowland, the Kenedy maid who gave birth to that child back in 1925. texasmonthly.com: Do you think Elena Kenedy knew about Ann? Do you think Johnny Kenedy is Ray''s grandfather? If so, what evidence is most convincing to you? GC: Yes, I''m convinced that Elena knew about Ann. As one of the lawyers said, ""a wife knows."" And my hunch is that DNA tests will prove that Johnny was the father. Other DNA tests from Kenedy family members indicate a strong possibility that Ann was a Kenedy. Nobody knew about DNA in 1925, but today it''s our best evidence in numerous legal cases. texasmonthly.com: Are there many historians who focus on South Texas? GC: Many books have been written about the King ranch, which, to many Texans, is South Texas. But there are few books about the Kenedy ranch or the other big ranches down there. Researching this story was my first close experience with South Texas and I loved it. It remains wild and desolate and in places looks much as it must have looked hundreds of years ago. I used to think South Texas was Padre Island, but I know better after doing the Kenedy ranch story.
Texas CowgirlPosts: 12

Re: This is the Case the Fernandez Cause is Based on! 1/4/2005 12:00:55 AM
Wow! Now thats alot to swallow! Seems as though this a pretty big ''cause''. How does this cause have to do with an article talking about Eric Von Wade? I don''t get it. I understand there are two issues here, but how do they relate to one another? I also believe in the right for people to know their heritage and I also believe in peoples other rights, i.e. freedom of speech, own guns, ect. So could you please explain how these two topics connect? Maybe it''s just me. The third website referred to some sort of printed ''newspaper'' of the Defenzor???? Does anyone know about this? Please write back if you do.
texdisvetPosts: 242

Re: Re: This is the Case the Fernandez Cause is Based on! 1/4/2005 7:33:06 AM
What''s up surfer girl, yea like I said there''s always going to be some lamebrain out there that will try to attack someone when they are practicing their free speech to turn what you said around to mean that you are talking about them directly...these people act like they are from another country...sad sad sad people in this country..//Scott
texdisvetPosts: 242

Re: This is the Case the Fernandez Cause is Based on! 1/4/2005 7:37:20 AM
Thanks a bunch Jaime, I read some of that stuff on the defenzor and all I saw was someone on there saying ANGLO this and Anglo that like WE were the ones that killed someone back then...tell me where prejudice comes from. God will literally squash anyone that puts down another because of their skin color due to the fact THAT HE CREATED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US. Many people will go to the judgement day thinking I fought just for MY people..well they can go right ahead and mess up their eternal lives, than again I don''t think they KNOW GOD to start with like so called Jesse Jackson I wouldn''t call him reverend. He is not taking a stand for ALL people just his own.//Scott
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Mr Von Wade is not down? This will springboard him to another level! 1/4/2005 10:23:21 PM
I think EVW can ""take a licking & keep on ticking"". It seem like Sidewalk can take a few blows and remain committed to his arguements also! This is a good group of online advocates.:)
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: Mr Von Wade is not down? This will springboard him to another level! 1/5/2005 1:25:47 AM
Sidewalk is like Mike Tyson''s opponent''s pre Buster Douglas. He shows up he takes a punch and then it is lights out. Seriously, I think he does better at pop culture type issues than he does at political ones. At least there he does enjoy a bit of consensus. I will freely admit that I have shared a similar opinion on a few occaisions with Sidewalk. Although, I don''t really agree with his adoration of punk rock. The only exception to this would be music from ""The Clash."" (Some of their tunes are pretty darned good IMHO). Hardcore Harry
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

BLAH BLAH BLAH 1/5/2005 10:14:44 AM
Sidewalk is like Mike Tyson''s opponent''s pre Buster Douglas. He shows up he takes a punch and then it is lights out. Look, I said Eric uses too much empty retoric... no one has tried to dissprove that or show how the retoric isn''t empty and highly valuable peices of information. All you''ve said is I''m wrong your right... OFFER SOMETHING!!
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

The clash... 1/5/2005 2:28:59 PM
The only exception to this would be music from ""The Clash."" (Some of their tunes are pretty darned good IMHO). Well Hot Damn Harry... You dig the Big Labowski and the Clash... for jar head goon you have good taste in pop culture. The Big Labowski really does perplex me though, you said you admired the life style, but the Dude was like the poster boy for lazy pot head slackers. Thats why I think he''s cool, not a care in the world, just bowling and Creedence... thats great! But for a military man, shouldn''t that care free unstructred life style be dispised? I always picutured you as the other Labowski... all mean and cut throat and constantly pointing out the short comings of the slacker life.
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: The clash... 1/5/2005 2:52:49 PM
You ever read the book the ""Tao of Pooh?"" I picture Jeff Bridge''s Labowski as a sort of Pooh. He is the ""uncarved block."" He just ""is."" Actually if I had to pick a Big Labowski character I most resemble I''d have to say it was John Goodman''s. ""Mark it an 8."" Hardcore Harry
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: The clash... 1/5/2005 3:33:17 PM
Actually if I had to pick a Big Labowski character I most resemble I''d have to say it was John Goodman''s. I could see that...
texdisvetPosts: 242

Re: Mr Von Wade is not down? This will springboard him to another level! 1/5/2005 12:46:37 PM
We all have to agree to disagree, like I said if everyone were just like me in this world and shared my exact same views it would be a boring would that''s why every single human being that has ever set foot on this Earth has absolutely diff DNA, God being the creator..the secular world can''t explain that one..a big explosion caused that? Eric can take anything because he knows what kind of people are saying this stuff from the Defenzor..they wouldn''t say anything about me because if they sue me they couldn''t get any $$ out of me..that''s what it''s really all about. This world White Black Hispanic Cubans and the such have 2 different kinds of people those that get into the American system and do something with their lives and on the other hand the lamebrain that just want to sue or look for a hand out. What a way to live always saying ""woah is me"". None of us had anything to do with the way we were born or what color, once you have this attitude than you will succeed. I went in the Navy at 19 just like any of these Handout people could have, after that I was able to get a good job. I read one time in the blotter some chic talked about all of us well off people on the southside. Maybe if she would have gotten off her butt and made something of herself than she too would be able to live a little better life while here on Earth.//Scott
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Tex: Things are not that simple! Quit being so judgemental! 1/5/2005 2:41:57 PM
A lot of people have sued Defenzor but I do not know any who have been sued by Defenzor! I wander how many times Eric has been sued? There has been a history of discrimination toward minorities in S Texas and now reverse discrimination. Do we want to make things better?
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

There is no such thing as"
My friend, there is no such thing as ""reverse discrimination."" Discrimination is when a group, any group, is given an injustice or subjugated. It is wrong inall cases. ""Reverse Discrimination"" would describe a condition where there was the ""opposite"" of discrimination...thus, tolerance. Additionally, the idea of ""reverse discrimination"" assumes that ""white people"" are the superior race. Why do I say this? Because discrimination is wrong in all occasions no matter who is discriminating. The idea that Minorities (such as myself)are the only one capbale of being discriminated against assumes that the Majority is somehow above the Majority. To me, such titles are now arbitrary. In my sphere of existance, Hispanics are the numerical majority to all other groups. My point is to refer to discrimination as the evil it is and not to make arbitrary distinctions.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Capitan: Pardon my terminology? 1/5/2005 6:07:02 PM
My words were not intended to establish a class hierarchy. Reverse Discrimination is a word I was unaware of the connatations you presented. Discrimination stems from the corrupt in our world. It is a machanism of the elite who use it to better themselves and those around them! It is about haves & have nots!
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Re: Capitan: Pardon my terminology? 1/5/2005 6:40:42 PM
Exactally, all discrimanation is wrong. Once we idenitfy that fact, then the true fight against it is winnable!!!
dannoynted1Posts: 553

""KEYS Radio Host Promotes ""Borderline"" Violence Against our People! 1/4/2005 1:03:49 AM
It is only fair to inform u of an unseen adversary
texdisvetPosts: 242

Re: ""KEYS Radio Host Promotes ""Borderline"" Violence Against our People! 1/5/2005 12:33:37 PM
Can you explain what you just said Dannoynted1
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Captain Carralles I agree with you about the two publications! 1/4/2005 8:10:08 PM
I agree Capt! I know Defenzor really does mean good & they are very good people! I know Homer Villareal as we have debated (agreed & disagreed) several hours! Truly he has inspired, educated, & mentored me as I was a primary beleiver in many concepts I truly beleive in fighting for! I also beleive Both factions have common ground that could bring many together in South Texas! I do not beleive Mr Von Wade is Racist as I do not beleive Defenzor is only fighting for it''s ""Raza"" either! I have been banned for 39 days for posting Adversely to a cause for which I have earned every right to rebuke! The Fernandez cause has stemmed out of the Fernandez Lawsuit involving the Kenedy Foundation. I thought maybe they were gold diggers at first when they asked me to help with thier battle. After working with them I now know Ann Fernandez is the Daughter of John G Kenedy Jr. But I also know her daughter in law Marie Fernandez wants it more than everyone else together! Now Defenzor claims they are not public people but when I was fighting for Ray & Marie Fernandez; it was Okay to use everyone''s name including Ray & Marie Fernandez & KFATSO officials as well as clergy of the Church Universal. This is a lot to read so I will be posting more later!
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Captain Carralles I agree with you about the two publications! 1/5/2005 12:57:17 PM
I also beleive Both factions have common ground that could bring many together in South Texas! Thats exactly my point... but as long as Eric calls anyone who dosn''t agree with him a capitalist hating degernarte commie... and the Defenzor or who ever on ""the raza"" side call anyone who looks at imigration from a different perspective ""racists"" the common ground will never be found. That was my whole point! More people on the other side of issues would take them seriously if they chilled out on the emotional retoric and just stuck to methodical facts.
cccghPosts: 657
Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/5/2005 4:59:21 PM
Not long ago my youngest son, who has a quick temper, was out playing with the neighborhood kids. There were two little girls who happened to be black. They were loud and whining alot and my son quickly tired of it so he told them to go home to their mother. They went home with their feelings hurt and I don''t blame them. BUT, the mother came out in the street to my 9 year old son and started yelling at him calling him a racist and tried to grab him. All this in front of all the other children. He was scared and humilitated. I didn''t find out until after he had come in and refused to come out of his bedroom. The other children told me what that woman had done to him. Take note, she is a substitute teacher here in CCISD. When I counciled my son, he had NO idea what ""racist"" ment. I believe him. He has never shown attitude towards any other person based on their skin color in his life and if he ever did and I found out he would have serious trouble with me. This family is one I have healped many times in the past when the mother came knocking on my door for rides to the doctor or sugar for her kitchen. I thought she was a nice person back then. But her loose use of the term ''racist'' to my young son changed everything. If she had a problem with the boy, she should have acted like an adult and come straight to me before attacking my son in the street with false accuations. When I hear others being called a racist NOW I have a difficult time believeing it. I think some use the term too broadly and out of anger and falsely ruin good people''s reputation. It is a shame and I have dumped that woman from the list of people I take the time to acknowledge. If the name is true, call it, if not, hold your tongue.
sidewalk_cipherPosts: 2661

Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/5/2005 5:25:11 PM
BUT, the mother came out in the street to my 9 year old son and started yelling at him calling him a racist and tried to grab him. Thats kinda crazy... yelling a kid calling him a racists... Along the same lines as picking on old ladies and animals. When I counciled my son, he had NO idea what ""racist"" ment. I believe him. It reminds me a the South Park Episode where Chef wants the south park flag, a black man hanging by a noose surrounded by white guys, changed because it''s racists. The school has a debate and the Stan and Kyle join the side of it shouldn''t be changed, and Chef thinks they have turned racists. But it turns out they didnt'' see the flag as a black guy getting hung by a bunch of white guys, they just saw some people hanging someone... ""because the color of someone''s skin dosn''t matter"" The nievity of kids is great... And I hope I will remain the eternal child.
cccghPosts: 657
Re: Re: Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/5/2005 5:39:43 PM
:) Hi Sidewalk. Well, he understands the right and wrongs of treating people badly just because they look different than himself. From the moment my children could understand I have tried to teach them to respect others. Now, the boy does have a temper and whining little girls are a hot button for that temper and I will never stop trying to teach him paitience and will punish him when he is wrong in the use of his temper towards others. But that woman pissed me off to the extreme level of my own paitience with her actions to my child. I will not tolerate crap like that and if she ever has the nerve to ask me for help again my answer will be NO.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

CC: I agree with everything U Said but the throwing away part! 1/5/2005 5:40:55 PM
Maybe U should elevate yourself to another level & reason with the woman. She was standing up for her kid in the best way she knew how! Sometime after your forefathers and recent relatives have been enslaved & mistreated for 100s of years it just doesnt get corrected overnight. On the same subject maybe the lady should show more of an effot also! Good point!
cccghPosts: 657
Re: CC: I agree with everything U Said but the throwing away part! 1/5/2005 5:51:08 PM
I suppose you are right in a historical way but it still does not excuse her actions here in the present. She should reason with me and apologise to my child. Before this happened I treated her and her family with nothing but respect and friendship and I would have never treated her three children in such a way. My son refused to play with the other children in the neighborhood for 5 months after that happened because he was so humilitated and scard of her. I can not forgive so easily when I see my baby hurting so much.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

CC: I understand your feelings 1/5/2005 5:57:43 PM
But we must all forgive as Jesus forgives us. He did not suffer on the cross for us to keep these things that harden our heart! Of course to recieve forgiveness we must ask for forgiveness. An apology from the lady would be a tremendous gesture. Pride is standing in the way of neighbors!
cccghPosts: 657
Re: CC: I understand your feelings 1/5/2005 6:08:39 PM
Your right. Maybe someday we can mend this. The main point of the story is that terms such as racist should be used with caution lest they lose their meaning and impact.
HardcoreHarryPosts: 1770

Re: Re: CC: I understand your feelings 1/5/2005 7:23:45 PM
""The main point of the story is that terms such as racist should be used with caution lest they lose their meaning and impact. "" EXACTLY!! Cheapen the word as this parent did to your son or this paper has done to Eric and one day the word will cease to have meaning. Some opinions ought to be reserved for the most dire circumstances. I tried reading their website and it was Anglo this and anglo that. That term in itself is dispicable because the Angles and Saxons were invaders where my ancestors came from. Hardcore Harry
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Harry: Moderation is key if we want to unite and therefore a better S Tx 1/5/2005 8:48:58 PM
I think there are many interpretations depending on who''s shoes a person stands in. Meaning Perspective! Education from both left & right! Listen to each other! I have been saying it is about haves & have nots. Not Anglos or Gringos, Mexicans or hispanics, Blacks, Jews, or Asians etc. This unification is about bringing an end to the discrimination and $$$$ tier system that oppresses many a hard worker! It is about the Government & Elitist getting away with it because they can!
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Anglo is not the term for"
...many South Texans use the term ""Anglo"" to describe ""white people."" This is a misnomer, Anglo means England, the Land of the Angles, who were Norse invaders. Many of the people targeted as being Anglos are German, Poles, and of other European stock (including Spanish who are not Moors (Moros).
LONEWOLFPosts: 471
Re: CC: I agree with everything U Said but the throwing away part! 1/6/2005 3:07:53 PM
""She was standing up for her kid THE BEST WAY SHE KNEW HOW"" SHE CAN SOMEHOW COME TO BE TRUSTED WITH THE CARE AND EDUCATION OF A CLASSROOM FULL OF CHILDREN BUT ""THE BEST WAY SHE KNEW HOW"" TO DEAL WITH A MINOR SPAT BETWEEN NEIGHBORHOOD KIDS IS TO WRONGLY ACCUSE A LITTLE BOY OF BEING A RACIST. -- THE LOWERING OF THE BAR FOR BOTH TEACHERS AND PARENTS CONTINUES. ""Sometime after your forefathers and recent relatives have been enslaved and mistreated for 100s of years it just doesn''t get corrected overnight."" YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THAT WOMAN''S LINEAGE SO FOR YOU TO MAKE THE ASSUMPTION THAT HER BEHAVIOR IS THE RESULT OF HUNDREDS OF YEARS OF ENSLAVEMENT AND MISTREATMENT OF HER FOREFATHERS IS AT BEST, FATUOUS. I''M NOT SURE WHICH IS MORE DISTURBING. HER BEHAVIOR OR YOUR BLITHE, INANE DISMISSAL.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Lonewolf: It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out? 1/6/2005 3:44:22 PM
The lineage and enslavement go hand in hand when it involves a black person calling one a racist! Very few blacks & hispanics in S Tx had ancestors who were enslaved. Maybe a slight presumption on my part but accurate nonetheless. As for her being a sustitute teacher here in the Body of Christ (CCISD) these actions speak volumes for the District''s inept approach. There are a lot of teachers who care but the ones who only care about getting paid and thier computers are giving all a bad name. I left this district for that very reason. Then maybe it is the objective difference between personal life & others not persionally related to her. I was not taking up for her in the slightest! But we all need to start having a little more understanding of each other. I can see there is no tolerance in your approach? Try a little love & understanding! Children are innocent & they should not suffer from the adults who continue to perpetuate the cycle. Be a Man & take the first step. Listen to the other side!
LONEWOLFPosts: 471
Re: Lonewolf: It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out? 1/7/2005 2:45:35 PM
What exactly do you mean by ""I can see there is no tolerance in your approach.""?
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Did, El Defenzor, ban you... 1/6/2005 12:52:43 PM
...or the Fernandez Group? I am unclear on that subject.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Yes, I am banned for 30 days for attacking the very cause I fought for! 1/6/2005 2:06:22 PM
I fought a huge battle for the Fernandez Cause which I still beleive in. However the wife of Ray Fernandez developed a big head after they were out of the woods. Now that I helped them do the research and fond the DNA and after they agreed to compensate me for the research and attorney dossiers I put together the wife tried to cut me out! I will explain more if you need! Yes, I am banned for 30 days for attacking the very cause I fought for! It is wrong in every principle Defenzor stands for! Ask Homer!
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

In find it hard to belief... 1/6/2005 2:44:08 PM
...that they could ban anyone. This webpage is full of topics and threadsters that disagree with Eric Von Wade. I have never known him to ban anyone, nor delete a post (unless it was a commercial) fo rits content. We have a whole host of people here who freely show ideas.... Sidewalk_Cipher- A skeptic of governmental actions and foil for Eric, others and sometimes me. Randalpret- A self-described communist. Numerous Liberals and Conservatives. I can''t understand the logic behind banning someone, it is Undemocratic, Un-Constitutional and Un-American. Is it a forced" name=20743 post
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

I can post from a different IP or Computer but if I put my name they delete 1/6/2005 4:02:30 PM
It says to me when I click the link: Sorry You Have been banned from this board! I have saved all of my postings and have defended this Newspaper & the Fernandez Cause valiantly! Now I have seen that Marie Fernandez was only using myself & Defenzor to achieve a goal. Her promises in writing and in person were never intended to see fruition. I have led a huge number of people to support this cause. To be abandoned repeatedly after beleiving trusting & having faith in them; It is my duty to inform everyone of these inexcusable actions! What if the Fernandez''s win control of KFATSO? We surely do not want Marie tellin her husband (our medical examiner) how to jerk around poor people! She is a Meglomaniac!
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Defenzor claims legal reasons 1/6/2005 4:21:06 PM
JAIME WE WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE ELEVATED ATTACKS. THEY ARE PROBABLY NOW LITIGATION ISSUES. YOU HAVE BEEN A FREQUEST POSTER, BUT YOU OVERSTEPPED YOU BOUNDRIES AND IMPLICATED THE STANDING OF THE DEFENZOR. YOU WILL BE BANNED FOR 30 DAYS. -- EL DEFENZOR
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Re: Defenzor claims legal reasons 1/6/2005 4:47:28 PM
I am affraid that the Defensor Staff is deadly affraid of Law suits, maybe more concerned about CYA (the covering of a certain body part) than meeting its goal. That will have to be addressed. Many minority organizations are quick to file lawsuits, I wonder if that mentality is having lasting impressions on the WEBMASTER. A twisted form of" name=20743 post
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Of Course I will continue Capt. I am elated to have found this room! 1/6/2005 7:13:08 PM
I am still getting to know the board as will be the case for a while! You Captain are a personality anywhere you write! I hope I can keep up! This board is representative of free speech. It is something I beleived Defenzor would retain. Especially after fighting the Taft City Government who tried to ban his newspaper. I fought that battle with Defenzor! Ask Mayor King if the FBI paid him a visit. Now as for the threat of lawsuits yes, the Fernandez attorney team is becoming rather extensive and they are the ones who could not handle the truth. They had every opportunity to defend themselves but how can you defend if you know you are guilty and the accuser can prove every last word. I have an explanation from Homer if you would like to read it I will email it to you? I used to live in Kingsville and I know Gus & Gus Jr. Aramie and I had another Carralles girl in my class. I do not remember her name but she was a senior in the fall of 2001! i was a substitute at the time. I want to work to bridge a rift of miscommunication in S Tx.
Capt CarralesPosts: 3167

Jaime, call the show!!! 1/7/2005 6:00:34 PM
I dare you to call into EVW. It will surely test if EVW is a racist or not.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

What language should I speak? English or Spanish? 1/7/2005 6:21:32 PM
Truly, I do not beleive EVW is Racist! I am a much better writer than a talker. I am not an Entertainer and I will be glad to meet face to face one on one with you or Mr Von Wade! An associate of my team has already visited the studio and they are aware of the connection. I hold many values in common with you & EVW as well as Homer. I am much more conservative than is Defenzor.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

DEFENZOR WANTS TO PLAY BY THIER OWN RULES! 1/7/2005 8:10:00 PM
DEFENZOR WANTS TO PLAY BY THIER OWN RULES! UNFAIR I CANNOT DEFEND MYSELF AND ANY FACTUAL EVIDENCE I POST IS DELETED YET THEY WANT TO KEEP UP DEFENDING MARIE FERNANDEZ! JAIME''S WIFE TO DEFENZOR: ""I''M GONNA FU.KING SURE YOU..."" Posted on January 7, 2005 at 07:49:52 PM by DEFENZOR WEBMASTER Jaime, you and your wife (Dannoyted1) and NEMO (You again as determined by same server IP) are hereby banned for six months. We now interpret your actions as hostile ones. We now have turned the knob to a defensive mode and rightfully so in our own business and personal interests. Jaime, we never expected this from you. It is so petty; we treated you as if you were “Hispanic”; you took advantage of that privilege. Jaime, initially, you were banned because we did not allow you to blast a target (a family that you had a falling out with). In our estimation your actions were perceived as “hurtful”. The initial “banning” was subtlety, an attempt to protect you from “legal” consequences, a subtle attempt to encourage you to reconsider your use of emotionally charged “words” and “phrases.” In the end, you did not contain your indignation – but released it against those that considered you a friend. Jaime, you have violated the rules outlined earlier in this board (e.g., name calling, legal threats, etc); you even have ignored the “banning” a few times and sough new ways to post on our message board. Such deviancy needs to be stopped – NOW!!! A sign of wisdom consists in not abusing an entrusted friendship. The wise person is the one who is a master of himself. There is a Mexican saying, “El enemigo del hombre es su necedad; su amigo, la inteligencia” (The enemy of a person is his/her stupidity; his friend is his intelligence). As a newspaper, we have higher obligations than many others whom their concern orbits around only their needs. Expand your thoughts and enlarge the world. MY RESPONSE KEEPS BEING DELETED BUT THEY WANT TO KEEP THIERS UP Leave my Posting your wife threatened me & my family first! Posted on January 7, 2005 at 08:57:33 PM by Jaime Matilde said, "" Quit attacking Marie Fernandez or else she might do something to you or your family"" ""Leave B Out of this he is a good man"" If you bring B into this I am going to have to say a few things myself"" And the comment to f sue you was in respect to the position as kenedyranch.net webmaster! Not Defenzor! Keep erasing & I will keep re pasting.
The RealistPosts: 197
I pride myself on Keeping it real, ""El Defenzor"" 1/9/2005 2:47:38 PM
based on what Eric has said and done I must say that he is not a racist. He bashed Liberals and some Democrats, but that is not racism. El Defenzor is not racist either, but its 60''s era rethoric smakes of it. they are acting as if Mexicans are being slaughtered in the streets! Thisis the most tolerant time in American History, the need to GET REAL! This Kenedy Ranch/ Catholic Church thing has gone on along time,if it ended today; I think the Catholic Church would have had enough. The Fernandez case...I don''t know very much about it but...I don''t think there is evidence of RAPE here. Get Real!!! Men and women f....have sex people. It won''t be the first time inappropiate sexual activities have taken place between a boss and a subordinate...shades of Bill Clinton? In REALITY, I am glad to have the people from El Defenzor. Welcome. Oh yeah, on this issue... Capt Carrales, I''ve read your posts at that site...you seem to be trying to do good but you get very ethnic there. Plus, I don''t think they want to listen to you. Curmudegeon, they won''t listen to your admittedly racist views at Kenedyranch.whatever. All you are goingt o do is to bring them down on Eric for having racists at his site. Jaime, are you hispanic? You are right, you don''t have to be Hispanic to be part of their movement...victories for liberty are for everyone. BTW, what exactally is meant when y''all say ""la raza."" Oh yeah, one post is enough...we normally just keep information like you have posted in on thread. Harry, don''t be so defensive. Let them talk. Keep it REAL!
condotPosts: 103
SICKO JAIME/ANTON 1/10/2005 4:50:56 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can.
C.evansPosts: 129

Re: Article on Eric Von Wade In El Defenzor Newspaper! 1/17/2005 4:04:28 PM
Interesting accusations! I do not get a chance to post here often but, I have never never heard EvW say anything that could be considered racist. I have listened to his radio show as much as possible for about 3 years now--so I guess I am a relative new-comer. All I have to say is that, from looking at the links provided for that hispanic publication. In my own humble opinion, I do not agree with anything THEY have so does THAT make me a racist? Best regards-C.Evans.

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The Fernandez Cause: In the Interests of Ann M. Fernandez 1/7/2005 9:55:56 PM
August 17, 2004 Interests of Ann M. Fernandez Dear Sirs, Subject: 04-0607-CV & 04-0608-CV Writ of Mandamus Pending in the Texas Supreme Court There is a Writ in the Texas Supreme Court that concerns the hurt; the suffering, the oppression and the atrocities Hispanics were subjected to in South Texas. These acts can never be justified by neither John G. & Marie Stella Kenedy Memorial Foundation board nor their expedient attorneys implementation of the corrupt Judicial System here in South Texas. This case has evolved into a Hispanic movement that is snowballing. The “Plantation Mentality” (programmed into generations of Hispanic men and women) that has kept the bloodline of Powerful Rancher John G. Kenedy Jr. a secret, is eroding. The secret is out and The Catholic Diocese of Corpus Christi (the richest diocese in the world) does not want the Plaintiff Ann Fernandez to prove her relation to John G Kenedy Jr. Mr. Kenedy is the biological father of Ann Fernandez. In her attempts to prove her ancestry, Ms. Fernandez has filed bills of review in several courts with original jurisdiction. The Defendants have thwarted every attempt of the Fernandez parties to legally prove her relation to the Late John G Kenedy through the exact science of DNA. Originally, the Defendants requested appointment of a Probate Judge, which was honored, by the appointment of the Honorable Guy Herman and both sides had no objections. Now that the Judge has made decisions unfavorable to the defendant, the defendant cries foul. They are arguing the Jurisdiction of the very Judge they had no objection to until he ruled for exhumation to perform a DNA paternity test. Really what it amounts to is Judge Shopping by a powerful political entity called the Catholic Church. Obviously, the Vatican is involved in these Judicial Politics. Judicial Politics in my eyes are an oxymoron; there should be the law and only the law that dictates in the Judiciary. A law that is independent of campaign contributions and Party affiliation. There is judicial activism or legislation occurring in the name of Priscilla Richman Owens, who was handpicked by Karl Rove. Karl Rove has a $250,000 lease on the Kenedy Ranch (La Parra) and targeted it for a proposed bombing range to replace the vacated Vieques in Puerto Rico. Hunt Oil is in bed with the Catholic Diocese as is Richman Petroleum. The Corpus Christi Catholic Diocese, Bishop Rene Gracida, Kenedy Foundation and Trust, Karl Rove, the Christus Spohn Health System and the King Ranch (Jack & Ray Lee Hunt) are in effect one conglomerate in South Texas. They are very influential in the Texas Supreme Court! Humbly, I ask these matters to be looked into and the decision scrutinized. The specific Texas Supreme Court cases I am referring to are (04-0607-CV & 04-0608-CV). The Texas Supreme Court needs to handle these two cases by the book, as they should every case. I assure the court there will be a nation reading this opinion. I am only asking for fairness in a court that our adversaries have purchased. Respectfully, Jaime Kenedeno This is only a tidbit of my advocacy for the Fernandez Family! Now they want to ban me because Marie Fernandez does not keep her word, cheats on her husband Ray Fernandez (the Nueces County Medical Examiner) I tried to resolve these issues with Marie Fernandez but she became very hateful & vindictive. Then I recieved threats from Defensor Newspaper trying to influence my freedom of speech. Now Defenzor has posted that my wife threatened to sue the Newspaper! She threatened to sue the webmaster of kenedyranch.net along with the Fernandez group!
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Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

I pledged I will personally remind the Fernandez''s of thier promis 1/7/2005 10:00:16 PM
If the Fernandez’s turn white or turned off I will personally turn them back on. Posted on June 30, 2004 at 09:08:39 PM by Jaime I will remind them (in this forum) where they came from. However, I have full faith that the Fernandez family will not forget any of the people that helped them fight. More so I believe, they will help the Kenedenos and Mexican families who built this region. Have some faith. I do. Greetings Ray & Marie Do you remember this posting? I bet (EVEN THEN) you did not consider remembering! Now you truly have forsaken my belief in you. To deny my family & me at Christmas time is unforgivable. I will spend the rest of my life demanding retribution. Retribution for what you beckon as if I am nobody. I have dedicated my soul to this war but you never intended to include me as if you could just wad me up and dispose of me in the trashcan. You speak to me as you consider yourself better. You will never be better so it must be jealousy or fear of the truth. Ever since being informed & accused of indiscretion, there has been a deliberate effort to exclude Ray from communicating with me. Marie, you claim it is Ray not wanting to associate with me. That he claims I am attempting to break up the marriage. Remember, I went to you Marie and informed you of the bad news immediately. You did not appreciate that I believed the allegations were founded and that I bluntly informed you that you were f%^&ing up and to stop! I also said,” If you are not guilty then do not worry about it. I did not go to Ray because I was not without doubt. I did not want to hurt Ray or you but only to guard against the implications. So I am scolded for the accusatory approach, but how else to have the effect of shock would the problem be eradicated? In this commitment, I trusted both of you to be fair with me. The trust from your side was never intended as you now prove. No one has fought for this cause and from the heart more than myself. I have moved mountains and shaken the very earth where Peter is entombed. I now know that my defense of your family and shouting to the ends of the world the justification of this war has been for nothing. Even worse, I have solicited and developed a plethora of souls who have decided to back this war up. Now, I feel they are being led to the slaughter because they trusted my passion. Great disappointments they will realize as I already realize. I assure you, I will right this wrong!
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Marie Fernandez has a great influence on our Medical Examiner! 1/7/2005 10:08:47 PM
Marie Fernandez has claimed her ability to change the Medical Examiner''s (her husband Ray Fernandez) mind or determination of Death in some cases as I have been informed and witnessed! I can be specific and we can ask the Texas Ranger''s Roberto Garza about the Defenzor investigations & relation to the Medical Examiner? Now if she can influence him in these matters what will she do when he sits on the Board of Directors at the Kenedy Foundation? This is one good reason why I am now against the Fernandezs becoming an influence in our community via KFATSO!
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Re: Marie Fernandez has a great influence on our Medical Examiner! 1/7/2005 10:12:04 PM
Anita Matilde Kenedy is not the Sole Heir as it states in the Lawsuit? Posted on December 29, 2004 at 02:04:02 AM by Jaime The Fernandez''s have known for quite some time of the fact that there are other blood relatives! Catherine D Unger before she died mysteriously informed the Fernandezs of the high possibility of 3 other children! Esparanza Kenedy is the offspring of John G Kenedy Sr. yet Marie Fernandez claims the statute of limitations for this Aunt of Anita Matilde Kenedy. Do you think Anita Matilde Kenedy would exclude Family members? Now she wants to weasle in on the family of Esparanza so to use her family agreeing to the exhumation whch is one of the driteria for exhuming Johnny! Else Marie wants this family to agree to raise John Sr. from the grave for DNA comparison. Fact is the Fernandez family has already a confirmed DNA match and we now are positive Anita Matilde is the Daughter of Johnny. I beleive every excluded family member must share in this triumph far before Marie Fernandez grabs it all for herself. Marie does not even want to share with Ray''s other sibling! She loathes this person with great passion and hates the fact that the sibling is more entitled than herself! Allow me to make my case why Marie should never possess this sort of power & influence? Larry u are a friend of Ray''s am i correct? Marie is jealous of your friendship with Ray and I have heard her hate on you several times. One example I will refer to is the new construction project and her arguements with her. Marie & Matilde, I know it is your writing behind the postings in Defenzor. You are fooling nobody.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Re: Re: Marie Fernandez has a great influence on our Medical Examiner! 1/7/2005 11:23:50 PM
Just got back Posted on January 7, 2005 at 11:34:31 PM by Marie Happy New Years everyone, I have been on Christmas vacation in Florida with my sons. I see Anton Scott Haley and his wife Lee Ann Haley are throwing another one of there tantrums. Even though Leeann had told me her father in-law always buys her children what ever they want. I also Made it a point to leave a few gifts for them and their children and $40 in case of emergency, I did this on the way out of town. I also told Anton Scott and Leeann that I would not return to Corpus until after the new year. They gave me no indication they needed any thing else until I got a call About a few days before Christmas. I received a call from Leeann Haley demanding $500. first of all I never said I would do that. Second Leeann had already stated to me in another conversation that some other guy Ben was giving her money.He has possible ties to the foundation so this does make us worry as to there motive. Third Being that I had told Leeann (danointedone)not to call me until at least the 4 of Jan. I can not understand why she would throw such a fit. I am not rich and can not afford to give 10 to 15 families more than the $40. to $50. Plus gifts to the people I feel may be in a crunch at Christmas. P.S. (Jaime)and Leeann you need to stop abusing people, I have tried and tried to explain to you that this is why you have not received you blessings (gifts) from god. All you seem to want to do is fight you don''t even care with whom. You are way out of line, I will still pray for you. Our family will continue staying focused on our intent to seek truth validation and justice for Anna Matilde. We appreciate all the positive comments that have been posted. First of all now you guys all know my name. I am anglo & my wife is hispanic. My children are half hispanic. I grew up with mostly with hispanic friends and I beleive in fighting for many things hispanics fight for. This is because I am one who stands up for my friends. When I was in school and there was a bully or a racists I always stood with the chicanos! The color of your skin makes no difference to me. It is about oppression and keeping people down! I fought for the Fernandezs because I beleived in them not because I was getting paid! I did not get paid. My agreement to devote my last 6 months to helping this cause was to earn a job with the Fernandez''s when and if they won the litigation. I was promised that I ""would never need to worry again after the Fernandez case was won""! Marie Fernandez promised $500 to help out with christmas! It was never demanded! It was expected! She also promised us $200 support monet every two weeks. Every other Friday when Ray got paid! She never kept her word! I was very patient with Marie as she interfered with the communication with Ray after we discovered on accident she was much closer to Ben than we knew! Homer is the one who told me Marie Fernandez was cheating with Ben whom Marie acts like she does not know. Homer even told me that Ben was messing with his wife Matilde also! He was very jealous. He thought Ben was his friend as did I. Estevan is Ben.We never told Marie that Ben was going to give us money? I wander how she knew that? Now Marie has confirmed my entitlement by her acknowledgement and the hundreds of emails from her & defenzor. They asked me to help! I did not approach them! Homer told me of his distrust of Marie Fernandez several times & I repeatedly assured him of her being on our side. Homer you fed me the information. Now you let them write about me without the ability to defend myself. You are the one who told me Alicia & Vincente Carranza burned Ray bad! Or in your words you said they punked Ray Fernandez (our Nueces County Medical Examiner). Marie tells her story as it has been rehearsed over & over. You are a liar Marie Fernandez. I will make sure nobody ever beleives your lies again. Also Marie Fernandez i have emails proving I never gave you permission to reveal my Identity. You did violate me once again. This is only the beginning Homer & Marie & Ray & Ben!
curmudgeonPosts: 3232

Very funny . . . 1/8/2005 8:10:01 AM
. . . Ann Ferdandez is trying to prove here momma was a whore but since the daddy was rich, well . . . The law doesn''t obligate a parent to leave his child anything on his death once the child reaches adulthood. This is all about money, lots of it.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

You are right it is about money! 1/8/2005 11:07:22 AM
defenzor. net & kenedyranch.net are where you need to start raising some hell! I think for Ray Fernandez it is about his bloodline & the operation of the foundation. I think Ray would be happy with acknowledgement & a revamp of the board. Marie wants it all no debate. She is the greediest most spiteful woman I have ever been around.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

the link: http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=kenedyranch 1/8/2005 11:20:16 AM
if the link on the website is blocked you can get to it directly. Express yourself to Marie the Gold digger!
curmudgeonPosts: 3232

Do you . . . 1/8/2005 11:20:54 AM
. . . really think the grandson of his bastard daughter deserves a say in how The Kennedy estate is administered. If the old rascal had desired that to be the case he could have stipulated such in his will even without acknowledging his paternity. If this were common practice the offspring of numerous chamber maids and governesses would be running Europe and the U.K.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Curmudgeon: Go back & read my postings ! 1/8/2005 12:03:04 PM
Then you will know I am now against the Fernandez Cause as it is being established! (With Marie controlling Ray) But go to those two links! There are a lot of supporters there. But if you say something they do not want to hear then they will probably delete it and ban you like they did me!
curmudgeonPosts: 3232

I looked at it . . . 1/8/2005 12:08:45 PM
. . . and made a comment or two. How do things posted here end up over there?
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Curmudgeon: the postings above 1/8/2005 12:27:38 PM
I am trying to give a little background so the first posting is one of the letters i wrote for Ms Fernandez. It demonstrates my diligence & fortitude to help establish Ann Fernandez. After experiencing the family dynamics I feel it is better that Marie Fernandez be eliminated from influencing her husband and using his mother. Marie Fernandez wants it more than Ray or any of the blood relatives! But John G Kenedy died without a will and history proves that he really did love the Maid Mary Rowland. I want this for Ann but not for Marie Fernandez to jerk her husband around & coerce his decisions like she does to him as our Nueces County Medical Examiner!
dannoynted1Posts: 553

Re: Very funny . . . 9/2/2005 1:15:47 AM
that if a poor guy does not pay child support he can get jail but if a rich guy refuses to acknowledge he can ""buy"" his freedom from financial responsibility
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Ray Fernandez had now become more interested in a dear friend of my fathers 10/24/2005 7:44:00 AM
NOTHING, NOTHING ever happened because Ray Fernandez had now become more interested in a dear friend of my fathers, that worked with Elena Suess Kenedy. Posted on September 22, 2005 at 02:22:50 PM by Estevan I have to agree with Jaime. I met several times with Ray Fernandez at his office. I was working on the Ruben Vela murder case and made an appt to see him and go over my investigation. The official cause of death was ruled an ACCIDENT. I discovered many loose ends that required the reopening of the case and view it as an ASSAULT which led to murder when Ruben died 5 days later. Dr. Fernandez agreed that I had enough new evidence to talk to the texas ranger that investigated originally plus I told him of a video tape that the asst fire chief of bishop had taken of the entire rescue event. He was not aware of it, as the ranger did not even look into this case enough to know the video was there. Dr. Fernandez stated to me that with the skull fracture that Ruben had he would have been immediately pararlyzed and therefore would not have been able to ride his bike 7 blocks after he was assualted at the hay barn (which burned down that nite!) and valiantly tried to ride his bike back home. I told him of the video and that MAria Vela, rubens mom, had told me ruben had his hands up to his head when she arrived. The video would prove that ruben was not papralyzed and therefore any conclusion the coroner came to was not correct. It was not an accidental death, it was premeditated. NOTHING, NOTHING ever happened becasue Ray Fernandez had now become more interested in a dear friend of my fathers, that worked with elena. He wanted me to get enough info from the old guy to help himself. He now seemed to play a game of give me info and I''ll help you!! I did not give my father''s friend to him and consequently never got a damn thing done to help the Vela family and bring out the truth. WHY?? Then there is Marie Fernandez that showed up to my office one Friday and tried to bribe me with another family member by stating the cause of death could be changed. After this meeting with her, strange and ultimately lost my job because of her. She started telling the lie that I had slept with her. It is alledged she would do it in front of her husband, my chances for the vela case now get out of reach for me. Too many minds poisoned and untrusting due to her lies. Yes, I agree with Jaime.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Please b admonished about some of the mutual agreements of joint venture 10/24/2005 8:13:13 AM
Marie (or whomever you may be), please be admonished Posted on October 22, 2005 at 04:12:45 AM by kenedyranch.net Webmaster My Dear Marie (if this posting was inf act posted by you): If you are indeed Marie (Fernandez), wife of Dr. Ray Fernandez, please be admonished about some of the mutual agreements of our joint venture -- that is, I myself, Dr. Ray Fernandez, and yourself. This ""public"" board is not the appropriate place for us to be conducting business. I have always treated you and the rest of the Fernandez family members with the outmost respect: I personally take offense in being implicated in a crime (i.e., extortion). The aforementioned was uncalled for and was clear-ly ""slanderous"" and ""libelous."" Totally unnecessary. I have received calls and communications from throughout the state and the nation in regards to your allegations -- from national civil rights leaders to our business associates. My standing and business apparatus in society/the community have overtly been hurt. The intitial joint venture cannot be abberated from ""just like that."" This board cannot be shut down ""just like that"" because your son decides to send me a ""dictate"" (which is so unbusiness-like) or because you have a sudden ""conflict"" with the ongoing process of this website ... these things can be worked out in a proper business setting if guided by proper decorum. The latter was drilled into all of us. To make the matter perfectly clear: to cite my personal notes in regards to this matter and the duty log that is meticulously kept and the scribbled instuctions and/or comments that have come from your husband during the duration of this business arrangement the following has to be said. You never took much interests in this board until now, yesterday -- Friday, October 21: which is fine, ""Better late than never"" (when it comes to input. But be admonished that any marketing expert with ""half a mind"" would advice you that any disruption in the consistency of the challenging media cause will engender ""doubt"" and ""distrust"" in many of its following. Now to answer your request. Your husband, after a lengthy dialogue with me after you took a trip to Florida sometime past, agreed (and reconfirmed) that the message board should be shut down for a few weeks and then opened back up again. I have followed such instuctions (which were a two-way ""street"" discussion) to the letter and spirit of it. Disagreements seem to be a part of all business relationships, but in the end sober minds always seem to find ways of surmounting them. We have been weathered by this long battle but now there is light at the end of the tunnel. I would never ""sellout"" the Fernandez cause nor abberate from the honorable joint venture that took place between us dignified people. This matter (if you perceive it as a conflict) can be resolved quickly and effectively via placing one telephone call to me directly. Please have your husband Dr. Ray Fernandez call me either at my business number (361) 387-6216 or home at (361) 767-6164 at his convinience. If he has in fact changed his mind about reopening the board to the public. He needs to let me know. If I do not hear from him in the next two days, I am obligated to keep the present arrangement in place. Again, and as always, I am willing to work with you and your husband to clear this matter and any other that surfaces in the future. As long as we are alive there are solutions to most problems. Let us keep it professional and respectful. Sinceramente, a companion in this cause, Homero Roel Villarreal Sr.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Fernandez Fiasco from Caller (before deletion) Archived@EVW 10/21/2005 1:21:28 AM
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 11:19pm Oct 15, 2005 Central (#2 of 64) new site kenedy-ranch.com up and running contact fernmr3@aol.com if any questions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 11:32pm Oct 15, 2005 Central (#3 of 64) What is the difference? Who owns kenedyranch.net? Who owns kenedy-ranch.com? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 11:37pm Oct 15, 2005 Central (#4 of 64) oh yeah that email doesnt work! shouldnt you give them the one at road runner? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:16am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#5 of 64) http://kenedyranch.netfirms.com/ http://b4.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?user=kenedyranch3 Actually the above sites are approved by Dr. Ray Fernandez & the ""FERNANDEZ CAUSE"" JOINT VENTURE on behalf of Anne Matilde Kenedy Fernandez. kenedyranch.net has been the GENUINE ARTICLE since the genesis of the media battle. All of the magazine articles are based on the initial story belonging to Homero Villareal of the Politically Recognized Newspaper Publication El Defenzor! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:24am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#6 of 64) Will you choose to answer in here Marie Fernandez? I hope so! Then everybody will be able to see for themselves! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 12:33am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#7 of 64) correction initial story in Austin American-Statesman Sunday, April 27,2003 page A1 fernmr3@aol.com is active and questions about any work projects can be submitted and later posted at kenedy-ranch.com I would know Dr Ray Fernandez is my...dad!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:46am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#8 of 64) I dont think you understand the legalities involved in a Joint Venture. There has been no rescension from Dr Ray Fernandez with regard to the ""Official Website"" http://kenedyranch.net http://kenedyranch.netfirms.com/ I am talking about the ""Official Story"" ran by El Defenzor. When nobody supported your father El Defenzor stood up and made your Grandmother''s Case! If you want to continue?? Then shoot. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:54am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#9 of 64) Glad to hear 2 parties have confirmed to us the readers that a joint venture is still in place Posted on October 8, 2005 at 00:43:01 AM by Frank Cortez Dr. Fernandez and Homero Villarreal I believe have confirmed to our readers to erase any doubts that the joint venture they took as mentioned in the website is officially in place and whatever agreements were arrived at are still in place. This is the civilized way to move on with promoting the Dr. Fernandez ""cause."" So much work needs to be done. I glad to report that the Defenzor did runs several advertisments in the last few months (and even in the past October edition) promoting the cause. I knew the Defenzor had not deviated from the cause; now that Dr. Fernandez has confirmed the matter that this website is the ""official"" one of the cause; then it would require I guess just one more party, Marie Fernandez (Dr.''s wife) to reassure the venture in writing. It is time to move on. Jaime, I feel that you need to quit. Dr. Fernandez has signed on the dotted line before thousands of viewers of this website. He will honor his agreement I am sure; of course I am suggesting his wife do the same to stop all the petty bickerings that have been exchange back and forth. Will Marie signed on dotted line? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:02am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#10 of 64) ""correction initial story in Austin American-Statesman Sunday, April 27,2003 page A1"" You are screwing up your grandmother''s case! Who is your Dad? Your last name is not Fernandez? Is it? Marie is your Mother, Yes? But you are not kenedy LINEAGE! Correct me if I am wrong? I dont want to do this with you Roger! I think you are misinformed? I ask you Please? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:06am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#11 of 64) Why is Dr Ray Fernandez hiding behind a 20 year old loved one? Where are the Super Lawyers? Why would he allow a boy to do a man''s JOB? No disrespect intended to you Roger; if this is in fact you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:11am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#12 of 64) http://kenedyranch.netfirms.com/archive.htm All Articles pertaining to the Fernandez Cause can be found at the link above. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dannoynted1 - 01:35am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#13 of 64) what was your mother''s name at the time you recieved that scar on your head? how did you get it (scar)? isnt that how & when your mother met the Dr? and your mother claims YOU are ""the expensive one"" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 02:02am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#14 of 64) My mother and her father were loyal government employees and public servants. Now back to the subject at hand, I am currently in college and that is expensive, if my parents chose to try and help that is because they see the value of a college degree for me and I very much love and appreciate them. That is why I will at the very least along with other school friends spend some time and monitor the subject content of any online sites which involve my family. As before I said the Fernandez contact was and still is fernmr3@aol.com I will be posting answers to questions at kenedy-ranch.com Happy Halloween! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 02:24am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#15 of 64) Side Stepped and spoken like a true politician! You might want to think twice about bringing your friends into this? Do you really want them learning certain things that maybe even you yourself have been sheltered from? Well Rog I guess you are above the age of Majority and you can do as you choose. I will try to keep it amicable with you as you have never disrespected me or my family. I cannot believe Dr Fernandez would not step up and to furthermore elect to allow yet another buffer. He should at least be out here with you. Do you wish to work this out in an amicable way? Does your father know what you are doing? Or will he claim no knowledge? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- dannoynted1 - 02:34am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#16 of 64) Roger: ""My mother and her father were loyal government employees and public servants."" who told you that? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:14am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#17 of 64) only learned of this fact within the past few years??? Do you wanna go there? Posted on September 7, 2005 at 02:53:45 AM by Jaime Appellee alleges she is Mr. Kenedy’s biological daughter and only learned of this fact within the past few years. In seeking to reopen and obtain her share of Mr. Kenedy’s, Mrs. Kenedy’s, and Ms. East’s estates, appellee filed bills of review in the County Court of Kenedy County in the following actions seeking an accounting and distribution from the Foundation and Trust as beneficiaries of the estates: 1) Estate of John G. Kenedy, Jr., cause number 189; 2) Estate of Sarita Kenedy East, cause number 344; 3) Estate of Elena Suess Kenedy, cause number 379; and 4) Estates of John G. Kenedy, Jr., Sarita Kenedy East, and Elena Suess Kenedy, cause number 395. The Attorney General filed a petition in intervention in cause numbers 344 and 395. See Tex. Prop. Code Ann. § 123.002 (Vernon 1995). Appellee also filed bills of review in, among others, the following three actions related to the disposition of Mr. Kenedy’s and Ms. East’s estates: 1) Humble Oil & Refining Co. v. East, cause number 35 (renumbered to 03-CV-050); 2) Garcia v. The John G. & Marie Stella Memorial Foundation, cause number 85 (renumbered to 03-CV-051); and 3) Trevino v. Turcotte, cause number 101-209-D (renumbered to 02-2959-D). The bills of review pertaining to the first two cases were filed in the District Court of Kenedy County, the court that rendered the judgments under attack in those bills of review. The third bill of review was filed in the District Court of Nueces County, which rendered the judgment under attack in that action. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:18am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#18 of 64) You''re damn right it''s personal! Posted on September 14, 2005 at 02:53:38 AM by Jaime You must remember Ray Fernandez is a Public Person! Who waged a Public War on his behalf. Who motivated South Texas to Publicly Support the Fernandez Cause! y todo para que??? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:20am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#19 of 64) RAY FERNANDEZ YOU GAVE YOUR WORD TO SOUTH TEXAS! Posted on September 14, 2005 at 04:41:44 AM by Jaime Read it in such a fashion? I will make an impact! The Supreme Court Environment and it''s watchdogs will be scrutinizing the moves of all three sides! Maybe more than that! KISS we have the Fernandez Team, the BENCH, and KFATSO (which is polymorphic)To Map the Make up of KFATSO we must first realize there are several variants (alleles) of a particular gene that occur simultaneously! I have mapped the proverbial DNA of KFATSO and know enough to know there is much, much more! Mike Hatchell in response to the Fernandez E Brief you are absolutely correct. But you will not prevail as the Fernandez will compromise as well. This is much bigger than say the 100 -200 involved directly in the Litigation! The Atorney General needs to stand up for South Texas! But since he chooses to silently support KFATSO I will Advocate for The Wild Horse Desert AKA Desierto de los Muertos! Desierto de los muertos? How fitting? We have Public Policy: ‘the right to have a dead body remain unmolested is not an absolute one. We have a Doctor of the Dead petitioning to dig up the Dead. We also have the Wife of the Doctor of the Dead dreaming one will be dead and to quote her, ""If she dreams you are going to die then you are going to Die""! I am about LIFE. I am about envigorating and inspiring a greater access to Knowledge, Wisdom,& Integrity without an Elite controlling and profiting off of us! Let us begin to Polish ourselves as we are all Diamonds in the Rough! Not only are we the Hardest element known to man but we possess a quality (in each and every one of us) of rareness only to be fathomed and feared! The Fernandez'' have promised to make things happen when and if they are enabled. The enabling comes from our Public Opinion and how loud we turn the volume up! Also if we are in support or did the Fernandez'' already renig? Ray Fernandez will you honor your commitments? In a pact o -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:21am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#20 of 64) (cont) In a pact or Contract with South Texas? All you need to do is put it in writing. Ray Fernandez, your response we in South Texas await! There should be no discussion of money; only committments previously promised! Not Money! Are you Committed to South Texas? Put in writing! Are you committed to the agreements you made with Defenzor? Put it in writing! If you choose to thumb your nose at me that is your choice but to thumb your nose at South Texas? I will not let you get away with it! I gave South Texas my word! The Fernandez Cause I worked and Advocated for; was intended for the good of us all! RAY FERNANDEZ YOU GAVE YOUR WORD TO SOUTH TEXAS! IS THERE ANY HONOR IN YOUR SOUL? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:24am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#21 of 64) Behind the Scenes Beheading? Everyone who has stuck their proverbial neck out for the Fernandez Cause.... Posted on September 16, 2005 at 01:00:04 AM by Jaime will now be exposed to the undiscriminating wrath of the proverbial GUILLOTINE! Is it not ironic that the actual beheading device was designed by a Doctor of life (Dr. Antoine Louis, secretary of the College of Surgeons)? Now a Doctor of the Dead has designed the metaphorical mechanism to behead the ones who pulled strings for him and provided favors and influence! Who will be first? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:29am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#22 of 64) Maybe Carl Lewis needs to Review the Custody of Ann Fernandez! Posted on September 22, 2005 at 02:16:28 AM by Jaime It appears that Ray is making choices not in her best interest! If he ruled against Katie''s Legal Guardians for reasons of Katie''s best interest; one can conclusively argue Ray''s choices are not in Ann Fernandez'' best interest! Not to mention the lies and exploitation committed in her name by the very one''s Judge Lewis ruled as her Legal Guardians (protectors)! Where were they (Ray & Marie) before Craig Smith SUPERVENED! Ann dont even like you Marie! Remember what she kept on telling me? 515 E Alice? She knew then! Statute of Limitations (like all the others) right Fernandez? Ann asked about her LINEAGE only one time? All the Cousins knew. Everyone knew! Afterall we are talking about the KINGSVILLE GRAPEVINE (LA PARRA)! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 03:31am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#23 of 64) Thank You (in advance) for your candor! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 05:40am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#24 of 64) Oh Yeah i almost forgot to tell you... Posted on October 16, 2005 at 06:58:22 AM by JFK about the Amicus Curiae I will be presenting to the Justices in Austin. I am arguing for Fernandez Lineage as well as the other heirs and relatives of blood relation who were squeezed out. It is much more than that but I will let it surface through the JUSTICE system in Austin. It will be productive for all known & unknown relations. Even if they have previously settled. This will bring much more power and a much louder voice to the ""Fernandez Cause""! It names relatives living and deceased who are entitled to consideration regarding lineage primarily. It is also dealing with the Limits of Statute as Fernandez will inevitably joust with this burden in the future. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 06:15am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#25 of 64) Much more significantly (than Buster Adami) Tobin Armstrong Passed! Posted on October 16, 2005 at 06:42:05 AM by JFK Isnt this a major event with respect to La Parra? What about his will? Estate?? Think it will end up in Litigation for centuries like the Kenedy Estate? Dating back to the 1922 partition and maybe before. Considering there are bank accounts to prove it. Hence Carmen Morell Kenedy aka Carmen De Llano. Think about it?? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 06:16am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#26 of 64) I am confused Posted on October 16, 2005 at 07:28:43 AM by Jaime Mother''s Day 2000 or Mark & Maggie & Craig Smith. Which came first the chicken or the egg? Then obviously came the Dementia! ""Heard It Through Some Nuts In The Grapevine"" Remember the Limitations?? Timing out?? 515 E Alice??? Texas Monthly tells a story of a known lineage! Who knew? Everyone!!!!!!!! Especially in Kingsville! Everyone, Except Ann? As Ray would always exclaim to Marie, ""I smell Bull Shit!"" Right Ray!?! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 11:39am Oct 16, 2005 Central (#27 of 64) Is the Amicus from Jaime, JFK, Fernandez or the real Anton aka the imposter at EricVonWade.com on nano technology contact fernmr3@aol.com any questions? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 09:52pm Oct 16, 2005 Central (#28 of 64) ""Is the Amicus from Jaime, JFK, Fernandez or the real Anton aka the imposter at EricVonWade.com on nano technology contact fernmr3@aol.com any questions?"" What do you imply? Everybody knows who I am! I am not trying to hide who I post under! The Email address is there for a reason. Email me if you are serious about resolution? My question to you is JFK what does the F stand for? When the Friend of the Court Letter reaches Austin then you will see who it is from. I suppose a few attorneys will be contacting the Courts as well! If you insist I will halt the proceedings. Dont think it is possible? Dont worry the Goliaths never worry about the Davids! Nano Technology??? EVW??? Now that Fernandez has disclosed my identity, reitterating my identity only exponentially increases my credibility! I am surprised that you enter into the realm of your enemy CCCT! Come on over to EVW where nothing will be stricken from the record?? Nano Technology??? What are you addressing with respect to the thread? Just say it. Dont be pretentious. Remember, no matter what you say or do; you cant touch this! GOD is with me! Who dares to be my enemy! Take your Black Magic back to the Devils Den! It dont work on this Man or ones under my umbrella! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 07:12pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#29 of 64) senior Texas Supreme Court Judge at C. C. Cathredal today. Fernandez relatives and Church clergy there. Sorry Jaime you were not in loop. Your were to busy with your friends at EricVonWade.com to notice.Anyone else with questions can contact fernmr3@aol.com or await follow-up at kenedy-ranch.com later. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 10:22pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#30 of 64) http://www.kenedy-ranch.com is a flop. go ahead open it up! I double dare you! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Whatsa matter EVW didnt bend to your threats of a law suit? Free Speech is a fundamental Civil Liberty. If my words were untrue then slap an injuction on me???? I triple Dare you! PAY YOUR BILLS SCAMMER! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 10:34pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#31 of 64) The Fernandez vs Kenedy Ranch case, the TRUE GURU Posted on October 18, 2005 at 10:38:41 PM by Jack Flores Homero Villarreal is a man of integrity. Here at the college, some members of the staff were discussing this matter, ""Who really sold in the Fernandez''s case in South Texas?"" Only one name and one business came up. El Defenzor has rapidly become one of the most effective media tools for Hispanics and politicos and other in general. Not only the brainpower but the culture spirituality is so strong, in Homero Villarreal , that it will melt the toughest spear. One whisper from Homero Villarreal and loyalties will shift; a quake will shift things around. Another website? Posted on October 18, 2005 at 05:36:21 PM by Frank Cortez I''ve realized that this website http://kenedyranch.net has so many hits and attention due to one major force, El Defenzor. What El Defenzor took over a decade to create is mirrored here http://kenedyranch.net Another website? http://kenedy-ranch.com If created can never have the same results. Mark my words. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 10:37pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#32 of 64) Oh yeah, Happy Anniversary Ray & Marie Fernandez -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 10:38pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#33 of 64) I am confused Posted on October 16, 2005 at 07:28:43 AM by Jaime Mother''s Day 2000 or Mark & Maggie & Craig Smith. Which came first the chicken or the egg? Then obviously came the Dementia! ""Heard It Through Some Nuts In The Grapevine"" Remember the Limitations?? Timing out?? 515 E Alice??? Texas Monthly tells a story of a known lineage! iWho knew? Everyone!!!!!!!! Especially in Kingsville! Everyone, Except Ann? As Ray would always exclaim to Marie, ""I smell Bull Shit!"" Right Ray!?! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 10:46pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#34 of 64) Question: When did El Defenzor first Advocate for Fernandez? Posted on October 18, 2005 at 07:50:18 AM by Jaime Here is the first digital publication (by El Defenzor ) I could find. http://freewebs.com/defensornews/kenedy120803.htm Where is Part I? Also a brief history about the Genesis of the El Defenzor Advocacy? Also with regard to exclusive rights with respect to the digital advocacy and digital media is there any other entity who digitally pre-dates El Defenzor? AP? Austin American Statesman? Dallas Morning news? Nonetheless, it is the Online Advocacy of El Defenzor and network that has kicked open the flood gates! Ask the Church Universal who pierced their armor and underbelly? Who proved we have the Richest Diocese in the World and the Vatican is Watching! Who proved to the Devout Congregation that the Priest Pedophilia is a reality? Right here in the Body of Christ? Who turned this thing into ""THE FERNANDEZ CAUSE""? What is the diference between ""THE FERNANDEZ CAUSE"" and the Fernandez Litigation? ""This Thing of OURS"" is much bigger than El Defenzor, or Fernandez! It is bigger than the Church Universal! It is now a STATEMENT to all from US ""Diamonds in the Rough""! It is now a matter of Principle and we wont back down! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 11:09pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#35 of 64) Hey Rog??? Why dont you go check out the info at the Ranch? Our Ranch! http://kenedyranch.net Bwahahahaha!!!!! ""Are you sure you wanna Go?"" Ray Lewis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 11:22pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#36 of 64) Anton the imposter aka eg. Jaime, JFK, Fernandez, Esteban... has not, is not ,and will not be the Fernandez Family voice as from the start the Fernandez Family can be contacted at fernmr3@aol.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 11:32pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#37 of 64) Yeah Cuz Fernandez don''t know how to pay the bills! Estevan is Marie Fernandez'' dangerous liason! Ask her! See if she can look you in the eye! I am the ""Fernandez Cause"" Spokesman! Please visit both websites and see who is ""IN THE KNOW""! http://kenedyranch.net http://kenedy-ranch.com While you are at it please visit El Defenzor Political Publication http://defenzor.net -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 11:57pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#38 of 64) Hey Rog since you keep on mentioning Eric Von Wade!?! Okay Ray, I f#@^$* HIM! He wants some of this Daddy! He wants some of this! Posted on February 27, 2005 at 08:35:36 PM by Jaime This whole thing about this man''s affairs with married women is something I brought to the attention of Marie Fernandez only. Marie went directly to Ray and told him of the situation. At this time there were still no names involved. At noon Marie showed up to my house trying to find out what we knew. We did not tell her any names. She wanted us to meet with her & her husband for lunch at Red Lobster; so we did. While Ray was present Marie began to press us for the source as if ""we were playing games"" as she called it. So I tried over & over to tell her if she did nothing then to not worry about it. I only informed her of what had been said; still no names. So it went on and I had to tell her that (my source) was the one who was worried about (""this Guy who is affiliated with the Foundation""). I reitterated that I was only the messenger. She pressed me to explain (my source''s) reasoning. So I told her (My Source) thought this guy was messing around with other wives also and circumstances (My Source) also percieved to be this guy at least wanting Marie. Marie got all Happy & said, ""he wants some of this Daddy He wants some of this"" (while pointing both hands to herself). She was elated! She went on to tell Ray right there in Red Lobster, ""Okay Ray, I f#@^$* HIM"" then she said it again while looking him straight in the eye. After she turned to us and grinned as if to say see I told you he would not do anything. We stayed in the restaurant as Ray had to get back to work. When we left she went on & on how she has to be a lady with her husband and she cannot ""get off"". She further told us about her toys and such so she does not need to stray from her husband. We assured her that we knew she loved Ray & the past did not matter but to stop messing up if in fact she was guilty. M -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 11:59pm Oct 20, 2005 Central (#39 of 64) (cont) Marie knew we did not buy her story. She was using us as an alibi and we caught on. We never told ANYONE BUT MARIE. Then I called the Guy to explain the circumstances. It only made him uncomfortable. I told him I did not care. I did nothing to perpetuate the story. Marie never treated us the same after that. We were cramping her style whether it was with this Guy or someone else. The Guy began to side with Marie & I asked him for support. He made excuses upon excuses for not backing me up. Then the night before I began the word attack of information on Marie; This Guy attacked me. Marie revealed this Guy''s name as well as mine to the Defenzor Message board; not me. Then a screen name of Condot came out revealing my identity on Eric Von Wade and facts only this Guy knew were used. I fired back in defense of myself. It is not my fault he broke SOP in his workplace. He did that all by himself. Then I also wondered if he was accessing my records. It is my right to inquire as to the access of my medical records. Ray Fernandez is still accessing Medical Records for personal gain! It turns out the Guy was an scapegoat as well! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:02am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#40 of 64) Re(1): FBI Posted on July 30, 2005 at 01:59:06 AM by anonymous Jaime you are a true citizen...what happened to Catherine D''Unger...the CCPD ""investigation"" was a joke...what did the medical examer rule? or did he even rule? The theft of medical records of people involved in recall movement is an example of the double standard the critics of the movement engage in. They so want to discredit people they engage in the same conduct they accuse thier opponents. This case should open the eyes of even the most ardent accusers of some conspiracy to discredit ""mexicanos"" in politcal positions that targeted them that they were the ones who would resort to the lowest form of political smearing to counter the effort of thier political opponents...they engaged in the very tactics they accused the reform group of. THERE ARE PEOPLE OF BOTH SIDES WHO ARE HONEST CITIZENS WHO WANT A BETTER LIFE FOR KINGSVILLE.. how you get there is not by ""watergate tctics"" but by decent dialogue, fair debate, and letting the people decide by the power of the vote. Decieving people by stooping to dirty dirt digging onoy defiles the politcal process. Again Jaime, thak you for doing the right thing and hopefully Catherine''s death will recieve the full investigation it deserves. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:05am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#41 of 64) The only thing I can say right now is that I am floored and disgusted the way the brief portrays Ann Fernandez. She is not a gold digger as the brief implies and there is no way she wanted all of the things demeanded iun her name. Ray I am ashamed that you would allow this crass exploitation of your mother. Just read the brief. Inheritance rights never should have played into the exhumation. Now everybody knows who the gold digger (Marie) was behind the brief. Ex SDupreme Court Justice Deborah Hankinson signed her name to the brief but I question the caliber of intellect that would issue such a disgrace to Ann Fernandez. Vincente Carranza, they will throw you away also! Just wait and see? KFATSO''s Brief http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/04/04060701.pdf Fernandez Real Party''s Brief on the Merits http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/04/04060702.pdf The Foundation Relator''s Reply Brief on the Merits http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/ebriefs/04/04060703.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:12am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#42 of 64) A Blast from the Past! Remember this veiled threat? The day of D''Unger''s Funeral @ the Cathedral. the Fernandez Group should be aware of this. Posted on March 13, 2005 at 07:40:13 PM by Jaime Why do U say my name? 4 me 2 pay the ultimate price for exposing the Luciferians in the Vatican? Posted on March 13, 2005 at 02:52:44 PM by Jaime Here is an example of the abuse of power. Posted by Gabriel on KENEDYRANCH.NET Posted on July 1, 2004 at 07:42:08 PM by Jaime Here is another coverup. The smoke of Lucifer has entered the church Posted on June 30, 2004 at 09:02:34 PM by Gabriel It certainly looks like Satan is winning the war for souls in the USA. Archbishop Sean O''Malley announced not too long ago that 65 parishes in the Boston Archdiocese will be closing in order to raise the money necessary to pay court settlements resulting from the homosexual abuse of children by scores of perverted gay Catholic priests. One case alone involved more than 500 child victims and a mandated court settlement of over $85 million dollars. The problem was compounded when many parishioners stopped donating money to the church and attendance at masses dropped off considerably. The same situation threatens other large archdioceses including the one here in Los Angeles. For many decades now, certain nefarious and powerful global forces have sought to infiltrate and destroy the Roman Catholic Church from within. The efforts of these infiltrators, more aptly described as disciples of Lucifer, bore rotten fruit when they doomed the church by implementing the sinister reforms of the Second Vatican Council that was opened under Pope John XXIII in 1962 and closed by Pope Paul VI in 1965. From this time on the Roman Catholic Church has been in a downward spiral into the sewer. A host of pedophilic sodomites took over high offices in the Vatican, the seminaries and many of the local perishes in the USA. Their ultimate goal was to turn the churches into altars for Lu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:16am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#43 of 64) (cont) Their ultimate goal was to turn the churches into altars for Lucifer where they could participate in vile orgies and the rape of innocent altar boys. One Jesuit priest alone, foresaw what would become of the Roman Catholic Church. This was the renown theologian, author and Vatican insider Malachi Martin. Fr. Martin wrote in 1990, "" The cultic acts of Satanic pedophilia in the Catholic Church are considered by professionals to be the culmination of the rites of ''The Enthronement of the Fallen Archangel Lucifer'' in the Vatican"". In his 1996 book ""Windswept House: A Vatican Novel"", Fr. Martin writes, ""Suddenly it became unarguable that now during this papacy, the Roman Catholic organization carried a permanent presence of clerics who worshipped Satan and liked it; of bishops and priests who sodomized boys and each other; of nuns who performed the “Black Rites” of Wicca, and who lived in lesbian relationships . . . every day, including Sundays and Holy Days, acts of heresy and blasphemy and outrage and indifference were committed and permitted at holy Altars by men who had been called to be priests. Sacrilegious actions and rites were not only performed on Christ’s Altars, but had the connivance or at least the tacit permission of certain Cardinals, archbishops, and bishops. . . "" Fr. Malachi Martin''s books were nothing less than prophetic. Today, in Boston we are witnessing the consequences of what Fr. Martin wrote 8 years ago. Unfortunately, Fr. Martin paid the ultimate price for exposing the Luciferians in the Vatican. He was bludgeoned to death at his home in New York City in 1999. It is now known that hundreds of thousands of young Catholic boys have been sodomized by Satanic Catholic priests nationwide since the Second Vatican Council. Many of these have been young Mexican-American boys in the southwest and especially in the Los Angeles Archdiocese. It is difficult to find one family that has not suffered sexual victimization by the Catholic Church -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:17am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#44 of 64) It is difficult to find one family that has not suffered sexual victimization by the Catholic Church or that does not know of one family that has. Most of these cases never surface into the open because in most cases the boys are children of immigrant families. Remember this veiled threat? The day of D''Unger''s Funeral @ the Cathedral. Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:10:26 PM by Jaime Marie Posted on July 3, 2004 at 04:04:49 AM by Robert H. Is it true? If anyone seems worried about the case its Marie and her compradres. Surely not us. Is it true? Marie are you truely going to go beyond what the current charities are doing? Is it true? Or just something to sell to your audience? Re(1): Remember this veiled threat? The day of D''Unger''s Funeral @ the Cathedral. Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:50:01 PM by dannoynted1 hate to say it bob but you were right she was preying to the accidental demise of the low what a name flipper Deny the Seriousness of the situation but I know a threat when I see one. Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:14:42 PM by Jaime Re(1): Marie Posted on July 3, 2004 at 10:09:50 AM by Jaime Worried? Who is desparate to block exhumation? Banales needs to order a sex offender sign in the front of every ""GUILTY"" property. 6.5 Seats, an Audit, and criminal indictments have a check and balance effect on exploitation and waste. Compadres you mean her ""Kenedenos""; they are waiting for the order to dig. Gray hairs come with worry. Do you have any Gray Hair Marie? Re(1): Deny the Seriousness of the situation but I know a threat when I see one. Posted on March 13, 2005 at 04:06:12 PM by dannoynted1 bet she does now Even Guadalupe Rangel claims it is not Jaime''s Agenda! Posted on March 13, 2005 at 02:55:01 PM by Jaime Tierra Grande not Jaime''s agenda Posted on July 1, 2004 at 06:01:14 PM by G R Jaime is probably, as stated before, just an enthusiastic horn puffing out agitation for the narrow and selfish legal fight -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:19am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#45 of 64) Tierra Grande not Jaime''s agenda Posted on July 1, 2004 at 06:01:14 PM by G R Jaime is probably, as stated before, just an enthusiastic horn puffing out agitation for the narrow and selfish legal fight. Jaime should have some respect for himself and Hispanics. The elite will be the elite, the laborers will be the laborers. Even if something happen and the court ruled in their favor, it will not benefit us. Nunca. Re(1): Even Guadalupe Rangel claims it is not Jaime''s Agenda! Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:05:02 PM by dannoynted1 how right you are ! i feel so stupid for ever believing in those people and any of their so called ""honorable intentions"" who knows what her real name is smelly nelly or something but it aint marie! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:29am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#46 of 64) the Fernandez Group should be aware of this. Posted on March 13, 2005 at 07:28:08 PM by Jaime when faced with the massive need of the mexican americans, they will be turned off! U R Right! Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:21:38 PM by Jaime Re(1): Menudo: how it started Posted on June 30, 2004 at 03:00:50 PM by Intellect The story is too romanticized. Mexicans were forced to live that lifestyle, with most sadistic ""Gringo: leavings, not only in Kingsville and Sarita but all over the Southwest. Menudo and barbacoa is just a reminder of our oppression and that of our parents. A reminder of how things have evolved though out involvement and efforts. Richard King use to call them ""Mexican leavings"". How quaint. There are new kind of ""Mexican leavings"" now a days. The rotting houses abandoned by ""white"" flight and in many other forms. The Fernandez were offered some ""Mexican Leavings."" Things will not change. There will have to be a revolution that turn this social arrangement around, upside down. If he Fernandez family wins all they want, it will but a very, very small victory. The majority of the mexican americans will remain at the bottom of the pot, trying still to leap out of an entrapment, where they are fed but ""Mexican Leavings."" Hopefully the Fernandez Family will not be accomoadtated and treated as ""special"" as ""adopted gringos"". They will be like ""padded"" dogs. Soon after victory, I surmise, when faced with the massive need of the mexican americans, they will be turned off, it a cycle that has been repeated for so long. Most successful mexicans start off with good intentions but loose themselves, they do not want to pick up the flag of the ""revolution"" - just too overwhelming. Menudo, in short, reminds us that Mexican americans find themselves in a world geared for ""anglos"" and all they can hope for as a community are ""Mexican leavings."" Sure there will be some that move up, but not as a community. Re(1): when faced with the ma -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:30am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#47 of 64) (cont) Re(1): when faced with the massive need of the mexican americans, they will be turned off! U R Right Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:32:34 PM by dannoynted1 wish princess diana was still alive If the Fernandezs turn white or turned off I will personally turn them back on & nobody objected! Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:24:24 PM by Jaime If the Fernandezs turn white or turned off I will personally turn them back on. Posted on June 30, 2004 at 09:08:39 PM by Jaime I will remind them (in this forum) where they came from. However i have full faith that the Fernandez family will not forget any of the people that helped them fight. More so I believe they will help the Kenedenos and mexican families who built this region. Have some faith. I do. Re(1): If the Fernandezs turn white or turned off I will personally turn them back on & nobody obje Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:53:36 PM by dannoynted1 they didnt deserve you babe Bain: Ray Fernandez is the Grandson of a Powerful South Texas Rancher! Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:28:22 PM by Jaime Re(1): I am not uneasy, Like i said I seen you before you arrived. Posted on June 30, 2004 at 06:59:42 AM by xx x Did you know that the accountant for the foundation took a deposition and stated he would work there until it was another Enron. Ever wonder why they have all the money scattered in a lot of different banks? Intello & Jaime quashed that DNA dude! Where R U now DNA? Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:38:00 PM by Jaime Who would use awful words: ""Bishop DNA Thong""? Heathen, Blasphemy Posted on June 28, 2004 at 05:40:23 PM by DNA IT is blasphemy and I am sure some persons might end up being excommunicated when this is all over. I am not affilaited with the church. But there is some ""deep hatred"" for the church present here. Re(1): Who would use awful words: Posted on June 28, 2004 at 10:04:19 PM by ZORRO The only ONE guilty of BLASPHEMY is the CATHO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:31am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#48 of 64) (cont) Re(1): Who would use awful words: Posted on June 28, 2004 at 10:04:19 PM by ZORRO The only ONE guilty of BLASPHEMY is the CATHOLIC church itself----for centuries the church has endorsed child predators by their non-action ""CODE of SILENCE"" ---we are above GOD''s judgement attitude, seems to be the real CREDO of the CATHOLIC church and its most pompous leaders. Re(2): Who would use awful words: Posted on June 28, 2004 at 10:38:07 PM by DNA Why do you hate the Catholic so much. The enemy in this issue is not the church. Things are not always what they seem. A story. Once there were two angels. One Catholic (the older) and one protestant (the younger). They decided one day to visit Texas. They came one night to the rich home of a protestant minister; he tried to turn them away, but instead offered them the old abandon shack to stay in overnight. The youner angel told the elder one how cruel the rich minister was. He pointed to all the holes the shack had and the rough floor they would lay down to sleep on... The older angel said, ""Things are not always what they seem."" The following day they traveled. By nighttime they came to a poor home where some Hispanic catholic lived. they were very poor. But this family offered the angels the best room in the house. The best food, torilla and the best comida/food. The next morning the two angels awoke. They heard the woman of the home crying. Their chihuahua dog had died. The younger angel said, ""why did you allow the dog to die? they were so sweet and overly considerate?"" he asked the older angel. He answered, ""things are not always what they seem."" The older angel explained. ""The angel of death arrived last night. He was going to take the woman, but I convinced him to take the chihuahua."" As for the rich minister....... he also explained, ""He was greedy and would hide his money in the shack we stayed in the holes. So I repaired the holes and moved the money where he could not find it."" In -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:34am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#49 of 64) (cont) In a sense the Catholic charities are needed and under attack by many an opportunity on a regular basis. We can''t just give all the funds away to whom ever wants to claim them. DNA does not, does not reveal what was in the ""heart"" of Sarita and Johnny Jr or sr or Elena. This family was very benevolent and recognized by the holy father in rome. I know you will argue that it was correlated with the money they had, but it was not. Even though they served the poor in texas, their huge hearts had many torns, they went though so much to serve. Johnny G. Kenendy jr was human, so human that probably he had sex. Most girls by the way in his region were not anglos but brown dolls. It is easy for one to slip on the path of temptation. His DNA might have been splattered like a sun beam on a fractured glass releasing wild urges. However eventually the fortune went to a holy cause, a retribution for his sins; for the greater good. Re(1): Intello & Jaime quashed that DNA dude! Where R U now DNA? Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:55:43 PM by dannoynted1 she helped kill my angel promises promises Father Gerry went to Prison & my friends finally proved what thier Parents punished them 4 saying! Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:43:15 PM by Jaime I DON''T THINK ANA MATILDA IS THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN jr Posted on June 28, 2004 at 01:57:03 AM by DNA IT IS JUST LEGAL HYPE SO AS TO FORCE THE LEGAL SYSTEM TO SUBMIT TO AN EXTRAVAGANT REQUEST. IT''S WRONG FOR SUCH AN ALLOWANCE TO BE GIVEN IN THAT IT WILL SET A PRECEDENT FOR THE FUTURE, AN IRRESPONSIBLE MOVE. DNA SHOULD NOT BE MANIPULATED IN THIS FASHION. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH DNA TO ARRIVE AT ALLOWING SUCH DRASTIC LEGAL EXPLORATONS. DNA DOES NOT EXPRESS THE INTENTIONS OF THE ""HEART"" OF THE JOHN SR NOR JR NOR SARITA. DNA IS DNA. I DON''T BELIEVE MARY ROWLAND WAS RAPED. I FEEL SHE MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO SET JOHNNY JR., WHO WAS VERY VULNERABLE UP FOR A HISTORIC BLUNDER. DNA MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT PROVE SEX TOOK PLAC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:35am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#50 of 64) THE FERNANDEZ FAMILY SHOULD MOVE ON, WHY WOULD THEY WANT THE LAST NAME ""KENEDY"" IF THEY WERE NEVER FORMALLY MARRIED. EVEN THE HISPANIC CULTURE OF THE DAY OF ROWLAND WOULD NOT HAVE PERMIT THE USE OF THE ''KENEDY'' NAME IN THE LATTER EXAMPLE. IF THE FERNANDEZ TURN OUT NOT TO BE RELATED TO THE KENEDY FAMILY, THEY WILL NOT ONLY EMBARRASS THEMSELVES BUT THE ENTIRE MEXICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. HISTORY WILL NOTE THAT THEY WERE TOO AMBITIOUS TO BE DABBED $$$$$$ HEIRS. I BET THAT EVEN IF A GUN WOULD HAVE BEEN PUT TO KENEDY JR.''S HEAD WHEN HE WAS LIVE, HE WOULD NOT HAVE CONSENTED TO MARRYING MARIA ROWLAND. SHE WAS A ""KITE"" AND A ""KITE"" WILL BE A ""KITE"" NO MATTER WHAT. HOW MANY TIMES WAS SHE MARRIED ANYWAY? ONCE? TWICE? OR MORE THAN THE MENTIONED? Re(1): I DON''T THINK ANA MATILDA IS THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN jr Posted on June 28, 2004 at 01:18:46 PM by Believer I support the church. I don''t think the church will do wrong. The church has reasons that some here do not know about. They pray and contemplate deeply before making such decisions. The foundations are business oriented. It is Gen Cisneros obligation to live up to his duties. Do you know how many goof balls the church gets on a regular basis claiming this and that? I agree with the person who signs himself/herself as DNA. Re(2): I DON''T THINK ANA MATILDA IS THE DAUGHTER OF JOHN jr Posted on June 28, 2004 at 03:02:19 PM by Jaime Do you Know Father Jerry? He is a priest who sexually molested children ( little boys) here in corpus christi. The church moved him around so they wouldn''t have to pay for his sins. I can tell you numerous factual events that the church was wrong really wrong. Would you believe the catholic church was part of Iran Contra? I will continue this conversation tonight. Re(1): Father Gerry went to Prison & my friends finally proved what thier Parents punished them 4 sa Posted on March 13, 2005 at 04:01:17 PM by dannoynted1 you are so precious babe that it hurts me cuz i -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:35am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#51 of 64) Re(1): Father Gerry went to Prison & my friends finally proved what thier Parents punished them 4 sa Posted on March 13, 2005 at 04:01:17 PM by dannoynted1 you are so precious babe that it hurts me cuz i know she only cares about f...in people where did u say nelly in the a..? loser you are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo stupid! icant wait till your lawyers put u where u belong -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:37am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#52 of 64) YES Rog, We Are The Fernandez Family Advocates! Oh how soon they forget! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:43am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#53 of 64) Yeah Right~! Posted on March 5, 2005 at 06:42:46 AM by Jaime Re(3): cpa a serpent in our garden Posted on March 5, 2005 at 00:26:15 AM by dannoynted1 only a selfish person does not appreciate when things are going good pay your bills dossier you refuse to pay for and the bill you owe to CATHERINE D''ungers estate for services you are hiding! and certainly dont care about blood unless of course your trying to spill it indulgences anyone??/ oh poor housewife? who is poor? have no money but i bet i am richer than U will ever BE! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:44am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#54 of 64) Yeah Right~! Posted on March 4, 2005 at 11:30:47 PM by Jaime Yeah Right~! Posted on March 4, 2005 at 11:24:13 PM by Nemo You think more highly of yourself than you ought to! Go re-evaluate yourself, giving you the benefit of the doubt I would have to say that you are a miserable person. you are miserable in your marriage, miserable in your legal matters, miserable as a mother, miserable as a friend - you should be praying for a miracle. A miracle is what you will need to keep your sanity - unless you keep trying to use those high powered prescription anti-depressants (illegally). And I said that you don''t even know me because you don''t. If I had a chance to meet you in the future - I would not want to waste my time. Thank you for having an open heart. BE BLESSED -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:45am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#55 of 64) How did Marie throw away Mark & Maggie? Posted on March 2, 2005 at 06:09:40 AM by Jaime One attorney insider even questioned ,"" Arethose guys stillalive""? The same attorney advised me to ""lay low"". He said ""these are big boys fighting for big money""! What kind of alliance have the fernandez''group worked out with Exxon""?Hogan is on the case in the Texas Supreme Court natividad v Coastal! Filed very closeto Fernandez v KFATSO & Hatchell & Constance are there as well. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:46am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#56 of 64) smelly nelly aka marie Posted on March 20, 2005 at 08:30:28 AM by dannoynted1 Re(1): name snelly smelly mae aka marie Posted on March 13, 2005 at 03:43:24 PM by dannoynted1 If I were to believe ever in some one who fires a lawyer but continues to use his work product and say that his client was not capable of hiring him but yet uses his filings is some what stupid and oxymoronish The only crab that is gonna get out of the bucket is the one that survives her “ultimate penalty” God will take care of her Poor poor nelly she did not realize what or who she f….d with Law school! law school !we want a law school! I bet you can feel it! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger S. - 12:46am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#57 of 64) long on inflamatory rhetoric and short on support Anton the imposter can ramble all he wants and try to spin a family geneological search into his own agenda, but the facts are clear and he himself admits it: he is all about the Diamonds, Benjamins and an imaginary debt collections. He is not the spokesperson of Fernandez Family, South Texas. or victims of clergy abuse or violent crimes!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:52am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#58 of 64) I am a Spokesman for South Texas! Since the Fernadez Family does not want South Texas to be included as they promised I have no other choice but to expose the Real Fernadez Agenda! I am for REAL! As you can see from the above postings I have fought a diligent Batle for Fernandez and South Texas. But now Fernandez wants to renig! Where were you when I was fighting for your DADDY? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 12:55am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#59 of 64) I am the one who pierced the UNDERBELLY OF THE CHURCH UNIVERSAL! I am the one who is SECURING THE COMMITTMENTS FOR SOUTH TEXAS! You must be lost! I have much more for YOUR entertainment! I aint bull sh/ttin anyone! I dont need to; I have the TRUTH on My Side! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:01am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#60 of 64) For the Record Posted on February 27, 2005 at 00:26:16 AM by Jaime If something should happen to my family or myself; I will hold Ray & Marie Fernandez responsible. I do not trust our Nueces county ME (Ray Fernandez)TO PERFORM any medical investigation or sign a death certificate for any person I know, am affiliated with or for my family or myself. So cancel any & all appointments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:03am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#61 of 64) Quit making threats to sue & do it or shut up! Posted on February 26, 2005 at 10:19:52 PM by Jaime You are trying ro suppress free speech. You want to be able to lie and make accusations but not feel the repercussions. You want to blab your lies and want us to be silenced even though we can support our statements with evidence. You know you are way out of line. We will not give you your way this time cry baby! All of the post are being archived for later proof of your transgressions. Your rhetoric is only digging that hole deeper & deeper! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:06am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#62 of 64) Afraid someone might see something? Like this? Posted on February 27, 2005 at 00:50:06 AM by Jaime CPA: Corrupt Personal Agenda Posted on February 26, 2005 at 11:37:32 PM by Jaime Why are you suing unknown heirs? You know there are more who are deserving. There are other Kenedy''s who need to be included. We will see to it they are included! One man''s trtash is another man''s treasure. Go back to the Devil''s den. I have no one''s blood on my hands. What about the man who died at the hands of your driving in SA? What about the wife of a close friend''s niece in the Valley? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:14am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#63 of 64) NOTHING, NOTHING ever happened because Ray Fernandez had now become more interested in a dear friend of my fathers, that worked with Elena Suess Kenedy. Posted on September 22, 2005 at 02:22:50 PM by Estevan I have to agree with Jaime. I met several times with Ray Fernandez at his office. I was working on the Ruben Vela murder case and made an appt to see him and go over my investigation. The official cause of death was ruled an ACCIDENT. I discovered many loose ends that required the reopening of the case and view it as an ASSAULT which led to murder when Ruben died 5 days later. Dr. Fernandez agreed that I had enough new evidence to talk to the texas ranger that investigated originally plus I told him of a video tape that the asst fire chief of bishop had taken of the entire rescue event. He was not aware of it, as the ranger did not even look into this case enough to know the video was there. Dr. Fernandez stated to me that with the skull fracture that Ruben had he would have been immediately pararlyzed and therefore would not have been able to ride his bike 7 blocks after he was assualted at the hay barn (which burned down that nite!) and valiantly tried to ride his bike back home. I told him of the video and that MAria Vela, rubens mom, had told me ruben had his hands up to his head when she arrived. The video would prove that ruben was not papralyzed and therefore any conclusion the coroner came to was not correct. It was not an accidental death, it was premeditated. NOTHING, NOTHING ever happened becasue Ray Fernandez had now become more interested in a dear friend of my fathers, that worked with elena. He wanted me to get enough info from the old guy to help himself. He now seemed to play a game of give me info and I''ll help you!! I did not give my father''s friend to him and consequently never got a damn thing done to help the Vela family and bring out the truth. WHY?? Then there is Marie Fernandez that showed up to my office one Frida -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jaime Kenedeno - 01:16am Oct 21, 2005 Central (#64 of 64) (cont) Then there is Marie Fernandez that showed up to my office one Friday and tried to bribe me with another family member by stated the cause of death could be changed. After this meeting with her, strange and ultimately lost my job because of her. She started telling the lie that I had slept with her. It is alledged she would do it in front of her husband, my chances for the vela case now get out of reach for me. Too many minds poisoned and untrusting due to her lies. Yes, I agree with Jaime.
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JAIME U R SICK, VERY SICK... GO OTHER WEBSITE 1/10/2005 4:44:27 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can.
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JAIME U R SICK, VERY SICK... GO OTHER WEBSITE 1/10/2005 4:44:31 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can.
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Condot: write something new 1/10/2005 2:56:10 PM
And you really are trying are you not? He doesnt want to take the time to write new material? Put your heart into it Ben!
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Re: JAIME U R SICK, VERY SICK... GO OTHER WEBSITE 1/10/2005 10:01:53 PM
ARE YOU THE ONE THAT SICK AS TO TELL EVERYONE YOU WORK AT THE HOSPITAL AND WHO ELSE DID YOU HURT? MERU? D''UNGER? DEATH IS NOT A JOKE
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Re: Re: JAIME U R SICK, VERY SICK... GO OTHER WEBSITE 1/11/2005 4:37:45 PM
Crap like that.... what are you talking about? Who is that directed at, you guys picking many screen names makes it confusing. OFFER SOME PROOF... does this guy work at a hospipital and screw off so much he let some one die? If so let us know what the hell your talking about, what hospital, what happened, who died?... or else just call him on the phone or send him a letter... You guys are having your own little childish squable on a public message board... very annoying and rude.
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U R SICKO JAIME/DANNYOTED/KENEDENO/ANTON 1/10/2005 4:45:39 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can.
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U R SICKO JAIME/DANNYOTED/KENEDENO/ANTON 1/10/2005 4:45:42 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can


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BRING IT ON FERNANDEZ GROUP! LEAVE EVW OUT OF IT! 1/9/2005 11:55:53 PM
STAND BACK & WATCH THIS CONDOT CHARACTER! THIS IS BETWEEN ANTON & CONDOT! LEAVE EVW OUT OF THE THREATS. REMEMBER DEFENZOR PRINT EDITION DREW FIRST BLOOD ON EVW SO QUIT MAKING EMPTY & VEILED THREATS!
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CONDOT I MUST SAY, YOU HAVE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK! 1/10/2005 12:21:51 AM
REMEMBER WHEN YOU SHOWED ME HOW YOU ANALYZE EVERYTHING I WRITE? eSTEVAN? MY JOB OPPRTUNITIES WERE MODIFIED. MY JOB WAS DEFENDING MY WIFE AFTER THEY RAILROADED HER! I REFUSE TO BOW TO OFFICIAL OPPRESSION! I AM GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO APOLOGIZE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE FOR YOU?
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Re: BRING IT ON FERNANDEZ GROUP! LEAVE EVW OUT OF IT! 1/10/2005 2:48:46 AM
***snore***
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Re: Re: BRING IT ON FERNANDEZ GROUP! LEAVE EVW OUT OF IT! 1/10/2005 4:37:03 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can.
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YUR VER SICK... NEVER MET U 1/10/2005 4:38:28 AM
Mr. Anton Scott Haley, you are profoundly confused. I have never met you, nor challenge you to a fight at “Whataburger”... You are experiencing metal lapses. You should seek medical help. Sometimes being unemployed is a reflection of a deep depression or something more serious. To repeat I don’t know you. I asked who you were to find out about the allegations. You accused the wives of many prominent men in the community of having affairs with other men. Such false attacks hurts their family, children and reputations unjustly. I hear the respective parties will be filing legal action. This website you have implicated in serious legal matters. The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on. You have not in your five senses. To repeat, I do not know you. You seem to feel GOD LIKE FEELING. Captain Carrales says you are overwhelmed with “free speech” but it is more than that in my estimation. Again, I do not want TO FIGHT YOU. PLEASE DO NOT CONSIDER HURT ME NOR MY FAMILY. I know there is a WARRANT out for an ANTON; I hope it is not you. Seek medical attention, as soon as you can.
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This is Marie fernandez the real one & she wants me to be censored 1/10/2005 6:31:06 AM
Lee Ann Rodriquez Haley, scot, aka nemo, eclipse,and many other alias''s Posted on January 10, 2005 at 05:10:10 AM by I know the Haley wife. I grew up around leeann rodriquez neighborhood in kingville. she is nothing but trash and from the streets bad baby! she married a very arge smelly man name of Scott. they have been leeches forever. The girl leeann is from a screwed up family the father. Please. Please nobodi listen to these two! They are con artists. They will take and take until you don''t have anymore!you get taken advantage of. Son Ratas!! The both have criminal records. You cannot hold anybody they name or accuse quilty. This is the way they lives. How this husband and wife con artist got into the Dr. Fernandez case is wild. Who would want to know these two. They are crazy!!! Listen to the wife talk, she is insane, never she can shut up talks laoud and she is a small dark girl scott and leeann re sucking off the system for too long. I hope somebody is talking to lawyers. They s a desperate family that has nothing to lose and they want to drag everybody down with them. Beware, Scott Haley and Lee Ann Rodriquez of Kingsville are demons. LeeAnn is a felon! she has a felony against her. Look into this they are dangerusmust be stoped. Lord Jesus help us, they will not stop till they have destroyed you. Locusts. I know what they did to a friend of mine years ago. MARIE YOU ARE TRANSPARENT! IF WE ARE SO LIKE YOU SAY THEN DONT EVEN WORRY ABOUT IT. ALL YOU DO IS GIVE ME CREDENCE! MY WIFE BELEIVED IN YOU. THE IP WILL LEAD STRAIGHT BACK TO YOU.

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Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/10/2005 9:57:15 AM
Hay, I dig having new people here to hash out new issues... But its starting to look like your draging a high school style soap opera in here... All your posts are fighting with those few Defenzor people... we don't really care. I don't care if some guy said your wife is trash, or if you got banned from some site... Please give it a rest and stop filling up our message board with trivial soap opera crap. Why don't you and that other guy excange E-mails or phone numbers and you can call eachother names all day without bugging us?
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Re: Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/10/2005 2:13:20 PM
No kidding. Its great that new people come in to talk. It just get muddy when one subject is constantly harped on, over and, over and, over again. Its todally weird. :)
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Re: Re: Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/10/2005 5:17:54 PM
As far as I can tell the Jamie fellow is pissed the long lost heriest didn''t pay for his services... so he spread some rumors or truth about her sleeping around. The rest is childrens stuff... If he didn''t get paid he can sue in court for non-payment of services, unless he didn''t do anything worth payment, then all he could do was complain on some internet site. He sounds like he is a thorn in the side of someone... rightfully so? I don''t know and I really don''t care anymore.
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Re: Re: Re: Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/10/2005 5:49:52 PM
He seems to be using this site to get what he wants... $$$$. Bottomline, topline.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/10/2005 8:59:41 PM
You shut up too! As if anything you have contributed here has helped at all. Hardcare Harry
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$COtt... whoever..... 1/10/2005 10:19:02 PM
WHERE IS THE$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?
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Re: Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/10/2005 9:44:37 PM
sounds a tad bit like your jealous who r u to say what make me:d
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Re: Re: Jamie/nemo/scott... whoever..... 1/11/2005 4:52:51 PM
sounds a tad bit like your jealous Jealous? OF WHAT??? I don''t even know who you are? I don''t even know if you have anything worth of being jealous of... I''m just tired of you people filling up the message board. who r u to say what make me:d ????? I have no idea what you mean. I said what make you?? thats not even a coherient sentence... google has an automatic translater if you need help with english... works for German Spanish and French... You might want to use it because I have no idea what you ment.

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Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 11:30:54 AM
I don't know what the real story is between you and Jamie but it's time for you both to get straightend out on a few things. 1st, your in my house, not yours. You will respect the rules of this site. 1.There will be no calling of anyone out to a physical fight. 2. Keep your cowardly threats of lawsuit to yourself. If you cant win an argument and want to impress people, get better at your argument or get over yourself. If you want to sue someone or something then just do it and stop with the threats. 3. There will be no foul language on this site. 4. You will not use this forum to disrespect, bash, or insult me, the radio station or anyting else you think I would disapprove of. Now to the issue of the spat between Condott and Jaime. I don't know who the "good guy" and "bad guy" is in this situation and I really don't care. I personally don't believe that illegitimate children have any right to their father's estate under normal circumstances but that's beside the point because this site isn't just for people to express opinions I agree with. I read postings every day that I agree and disagree with and that's what makes it interesting. To my knowledge, Jamie has been making his statements in accordance with my rules. Condott has not. That being said it seems to me both of you are USING this website for your own personal agenda. You each have a personal interest and an "Ax to grind" with this cause. Fine. But Condot hase forgotton where he is. Condott, The following comments you made are unacceptable. I will give a short explanation as to why these comments are unacceptable. "I am sure this website) will end up facing a court also." -How are you so sure? Have you had communication with the prosecuting attourny or parties involved in the suit? If it turns out that my corporation is sued, which is Highly unlikely in this situation, you will be called as a witness and any communication or relationship you have had with involved parties filing suit prior to the hearing could very well put youself in an actionable position that threatns the validity of the lawsuit of the party to which you are connected. In essence, whoever you think your helping, you may have already hurt. "I just don't know how Eric website can take you serious." -What makes you think I take anyone seriously? Why don't you wait until I take a postion before you start assuming. If I don't take a position then stick to what you know. "The Federal Trades Commission prohits one huge media entity to attack a smaller one (especially a minority owned one). KEYS radio has tried to keep conservative talk radio alive in South Texas. You have committed irreparable damage. I just pray and hope that no party from this media entity egged you on." -Just what FCC regulation are you attempting to quote? Never mind, don't answer that. If your going to misapply an uncomplete and inaccurate FCC reg. you either never actually read it yourself or intentionally attempting to intemedate me so there's nothig to clarify here. As far as "egging" anybody on, the only person guilt of that is you. I have never posted on the thread in question. Finally, anyone who is in anyway associated with a so-called paper like EL DEFENSORE has zero credibility. You might as well right for or read the KKK Times. I hope the two of you can continue to post on my website with maturity and respect for the host. If you cannot then I will be forced to block your access to my site. I won't revist this issue again without taking action. Remember you a guest in my house. Thank you for your attention, Eric von Wade WadeCom, Inc.
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Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 12:56:14 PM
hummm... I didn''t really think Condott was attacking you or the web site... I think he through the legal stuff out there to scare the other guy into shuting up, but he really has no grounds to sue anyone for what they post on some message board... It was just a stupid threat to the other guy I thought. I really didn''t see them break any ""rules"" But they sure are filling up the board with crap that noone wants to hear, and ""USING this website for their own personal agenda."" Was the lawsuit talk a ""vield threat"" I''m not good at picking up on subltes and stuff... I say if your gonna threaten someone have some balls and say it straight up... don''t hint at it... was that what he was doing?
EVWPosts: 343

Re: Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 2:11:27 PM
The mention of legal action, specifically legal action directed at meself and the radio station is an obvious attempt to intimedate me into either taking Condett''s side in this issue or stifeling the opinions of his advasary and it was most likely the latter. If your not trying to threaten someone you won''t mention them in this context. I''m glad you mentioned the posts as well. If Condett and Jaime want to continue with their exchange they need to keep it within ONE post and stop creating a new thread to repeat the same things.
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Re: Re: Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 2:29:50 PM
If Condett and Jaime want to continue with their exchange they need to keep it within ONE post and stop creating a new thread to repeat the same things. HELL YEA!!!!
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ONE post and stop creating a new thread to repeat the same things 1/10/2005 2:44:13 PM
Yes, this is the common practice for this forum. Too many posts doesn''t allow one to answer each of the issues. Plus, those who don''t want to be involed can avoid the thread. Eric, I was concerned for you and the forum last night. I was sure that there was going to be a killing based on the exchange and where it was going. If it reaches this level again, the Sherriffs Dept may need to get involved in advising threadsters on true Free Speech. In fact, I think you should have someone in law enforcement make a comment on what constitutes and" name=21173
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Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 2:51:11 PM
Thank God someone has balls. Mr Von Wade I understand every word you wrote and will abide by your rules. It is your house and I will respect your expectations. Truly Free Speech exists in this room! I will not be intimidated by threats or lawsuits. These guys have no credibility whatsoever. They are used to calling the Defenzor Newspaper whenever they do not like what is being written and threatening a lawsuit if the information is not censored. Thank you for allowing free speech.
condotPosts: 103
Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 3:26:59 PM
I did take the time to ask around as to Jaime/Anton background. I never threatened a lawsuit against the radio station, but did inform that the parties I spoke to (Fernandez family) and some associated with the newspaper had filed or were filing police reports against Jaime/Anton. Do their police reports implicate the radio station, EVW, I don''t know. I am not a lawyer. But I took the time to find about ""criminal histories"" and so forth of Jaime/Anton who has accused many of criminal things and affairs and so forth. I am not the one filing such charges... the parties mentioned are.
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Re: Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 3:54:29 PM
Let me be clear. I don''t want to read about any speculation of lawsuits against myself or entities I am involved with unless you are the one doing the suing and then I should only read about it from your attourney, not a posting on an internet chat board. Once again, just a word of advice, if the family or parties you admit to speaking with are involved in a lawsuit you are begging to be called to the stand to answer question about what you discussed ect. Depending on what information was communicated it could endanger the parties with whom you support. Even if you have no partiality it is an enormous hassel. But in the end it''s your choice.
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Re: Re: Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 4:28:20 PM
Let me say thank you to those who have agreed to respect my wishes concerning the conduct of threadsters on this site. If we can keep the minimum of courtesy we will enjoy this forum all the more.
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Re: Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 5:18:36 PM
You have my name run a criminal background check Ben! post the official criminal record you claim. I have no criminal record and I challenge you to prove otherwise. It is illegal to steal confidential medical records Ben Esquivel. I can play hardball also. Ben Esquivel is Estevan on Defenzor website. He is the one who was attacking Sam Granato & all of the citizens for the betterment of kingsville. Remember the recall election in Kingsville? Phil Esquivel is his brother and one of the ones that was recalled. Phi8l was the mayor. I like Phil Esquivel he is a good man in my opinion. You are not half the man your brother is Ben! My mistake? remember the 13th COA?
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Re: Re: Re: Watch Yourself, CONDOTT 1/10/2005 5:26:07 PM
He is the one who was attacking Sam Granato & all of the citizens for the betterment of kingsville. Kingsville has some seriously screwed up politics and you keep beating around the bush with all this stuff... Why don''t you just say what you know and want to share. Take a breath open up your Word and spend a day or so typing in all up in a condens understandable version... explain your ""issues"" with the group all the political connections and interestes... leave out a play by play of the stupid internet back and forths, no one cares about that. Lay everything out on the table and quite using this site for games, you hint at some interesting things I would like to know more about... but you seem to get too excited and ramble and just look nuts.
condotPosts: 103
u said it sidwal cipher to jaime: ""just look nuts'' 1/10/2005 5:45:28 PM
I don''t know this man. He claims I challenge him to a fight at what a burger. hehehe. just ""sounds"" nuts
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Re: u said it sidwal cipher to jaime: ""just look nuts'' 1/10/2005 10:04:24 PM
NUECES MEANS NUTS IN SPANISH
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sheeze 1/11/2005 4:54:56 PM
I don''t know this man Then why can''t you stop arguing with him?
condotPosts: 103
u said it sidwal cipher to jaime: ""just look nuts'' 1/10/2005 5:45:32 PM
I don''t know this man. He claims I challenge him to a fight at what a burger. hehehe. just ""sounds"" nuts
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Condot is Ben Esquivel! 1/10/2005 5:57:35 PM
Why do you use your adversary''s name to hide behind? Ben, remember Condot was calling me Coward Jaime cause i would not meet him at whataburger in Kingsville. Remember he said he would be the guy with a red mustache & blue cap? I have all of Condot''s postings and they are very racist. I can post the Condot postings if you need to be refreshed. Get over it Ben I know it is you. You are transparent. Reall now Ben dont you think you are reaching just a tad bit. Tell defenzor to let me back on the board. This will be national news before long?
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Re: Condot is Ben Esquivel! 1/10/2005 6:58:01 PM
I would really prefer that you guys stop advertising an illegitimate, bigoted, and racially derrogotory chat room. I don''t care if you want to debate the issues of bigotry, racist issues but either do it here or over there. I don''t have this site to promote sites of that ilk. No body of any significance reads or listens to anything those guys say in any medium. It''s laughable that anyone cares what they. There are maybe 300 people in the coastal bend who even look at what is said in that paper and even less who would bother to read their website. I wouldn''t degrade myself by in anyway being associated with such a base mentality. Take it as a badge of honor they kicked you out and never give it a second thought.
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EVW: That is the best advice I have recieved on this issue! 1/10/2005 9:46:43 PM
I will take being Banned from Defenzor as a Badge of Honor. Thank You! There will be a time and place to revisit these issues. This Sidewalk Cypher is something else! I couldnt ask for a more determined Advocate. Sidewalk I must acknowledge your do diligence. I have already proved these issues and I will re prove them in here. Thank you for the format. Now the hypocrisy that banned free speech after citing it over and over is back to farther than when I entered the scene. Sidewalk: I say to you; ""in this business there is no such thing as bad press"".

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EVW: Should the KKK be allowed to adopt a highway? 1/10/2005 6:07:54 PM
Since the Supreme Court ruled so I guess so. I say to let them adopt a highway dedicated to Black, Jew, Asian, Hispanic & all other non whites. You know maybe a flowerbed dedicated to MLK or Ceasar Chavez. A monument in that patch of the road or maybe memorial signs declaring that portion with reverence to a great minority leader etc... Let them clean up a portion where the minorities live or frequent. If this would happen they would refuse to adopt it.
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Re: EVW: Should the KKK be allowed to adopt a highway? 1/10/2005 6:20:31 PM
I say let them adopt the highway... equal right and all remember? They say they want to ban them from adopting it because people might litter more because it is adopted by the KKK... well... isn''t it also the KKK thats gonna be cleaning all the extra litter? So whats wrong with them adopting a highway and the whole state driving down there just to throw their trash out the window? I''m sure after a few years of cleaning up massive amoounts of litter they will think it was a bad idea. Think of how funny it would be to drive down that stretch and see Klans men picking up trash... I hope they where their robs while doing it. And I think the KKK is one of the only organisations that picking up trash can be considered a ""good PR move""
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Do they allow . . . 1/10/2005 7:00:44 PM
. . . other racist organizations, NAACP, LULAC, La Raza Unida, etc, to adopt highways?
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Re: Do they allow . . . 1/11/2005 9:54:09 AM
Of course they do!! Read the signs;)
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ACLU... 1/11/2005 5:03:56 PM
Do they allow other racist organizations, NAACP, LULAC, La Raza Unida, etc, to adopt highways? Good thing you didn''t mention the ACLU in that one. you guys are allways going on about how the ACLU is racist one sided organisation that doesn''t look out for the rights of white people or christians and what not.... Under pressure from the ACLU, the South Dakota governor allowed the Sioux group to join the program, then threatened to remove all adopt-a-highway signs within a year. So far, Ring says, the signs are still there. But in Missouri a battle that went to the state Supreme Court is still raging over the Klu Klux Klan''s right to serve as a litter clean-up crew. The courts upheld the KKK under the First Amendment, but the state changed the adopt-a-highway guidelines to exclude groups that discriminate. In the meantime, the road in question has been renamed the Rosa Parks Highway. http://www.wcpn.org/specials/7th_generation/witches_highway.html This part is the best... In the meantime, the road in question has been renamed the Rosa Parks Highway. guess Jamie got his wish
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My problem with the ACLU... 1/11/2005 5:30:13 PM
...is that they cause legal nightmares for the sake of nothing more than doing so. They really have to agend other than filing court cases and, quite possibly, generating money and fame for its member attorneys.they don''t care about race, they will cause the spending of million in defense of one issue...then cause similar spending by defending the opposite issue against their former client. The ACLU is not racist, but it does have legal ethics issues. (opinion)
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IT WAS NOT A WISH; IT WAS A SOLUTION 1/11/2005 5:45:46 PM
Simply a suggestion.
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Re: IT WAS NOT A WISH; IT WAS A SOLUTION 1/11/2005 6:07:52 PM
hay, I think it was a good idea... even better that it really happened, I have no respect for the KKK, and what ever crap gets flung their way they deserve it. Sure they have the legal right to exist and clean a highway and get their name on the sign. I also have the legal right to think their peices of crap...
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Re: EVW: Should the KKK be allowed to adopt a highway? 1/10/2005 6:26:45 PM
Well, you can''t refuse these people if they have not personally engaged in abhorrant behavior in harming somebody directly. I do however question their decision to be card carrying members of such a notorious group in our history that have participated in criminalistic behavior in other areas of the country. But, if churches and good people want to adopt highways, you cannot leagaly refuse others who think completely differently that you. Personally, if I were to pass a sign that gives thanks to the KKK for cleaning the highway, I''d be surprised, but I would not trash it just because. That would lower my character to something I know I do not want to be. :)
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Re: EVW: Should the KKK be allowed to adopt a highway? 1/10/2005 8:35:48 PM
I think you would have to leave south Tx to see it, even if it happened. As my Gram Ma used to say. I think the KKK is as scarce as hen''s teeth in this neck of the woods.
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Re: EVW: Should the KKK be allowed to adopt a highway? 1/10/2005 8:58:33 PM
Why should we make them dedicate the stretch of highway to anyone? They''re the ones that''re cleaning it. Would you want to be forced to dedicate a stretch of highway to me? Think about it, use some common sense.
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If you deserved or earned being recognized for your endeavors? 1/10/2005 9:11:37 PM
Let us stick to VIPs. Martin Luther King, Dr Hector, the htree Murdered in the Mississippi Burning, Cesar Chavez Pancho Villa, Mary Magdalene etc. etc....
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Re: If you deserved or earned being recognized for your endeavors? 1/10/2005 10:01:38 PM
Alright, if you were forced to dedicate your piece of highway to MLK or even someone important like Abe Lincoln or George Washington, would you do that? Forced against your will, remember that. Maybe we should use someone like Adolf Hitler. He was kind of important. Wonder where America would be right now if he hadn''t gone about his little escapades.
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Go back and read the posting! 1/11/2005 3:53:09 PM
It seems like you only read bits & pieces. It is a state highway. Public Land.
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Re: Go back and read the posting! 1/11/2005 5:50:34 PM
Who''s cleaning it? Who adopted it? A private individual acting on his own accord.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Adopt a Highway? 1/12/2005 12:58:18 AM
The KKK wanted to adopt a portion of the Highway to clean? The Supreme Court Ruled the KKK has the inalienable right to adopt a portion of the Highway (to clean the trash)? So now they can go forward and start cleaning the roadside? It was a suggestion to name it after a ethnicity or race the KKK considers a lesser people. What does that have to do with a private land owner? Did I miss something?
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Re: Adopt a Highway? 1/12/2005 2:15:27 AM
Yes, you did miss something. I said nothing about a private land owner. All I''m saying is why does the government have to dictate what they should dedicate the strip of road to? It''s none of the government''s business. They either let them do it as the KKK or they deny it and they can file a descrimination lawsuit, simple as that. These are not government workers, they''re all private individuals working as a group to clean up some trash off the highway. On a side note, wouldn''t it be funny if someone came by and put THEM in trash bags.
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I think . . . 1/12/2005 6:41:04 AM
. . . someone tried that awhile back. Them KKK boys was marchin'' in their sheets and such and some of those Black Panther types decided to shoot at them.Turns out ole Bubba could shoot and them Black Panthers ended up with the shity end of the stick.

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May I have your attention. Condott & Jaime 1/11/2005 5:45:50 PM
I would like to address an issue that has dominated this post over the past few days. I am trying to have a forum that is as close to free speech as possible. I have some limitations but they are based on respect and cooth and up till now the threadsters here have respected and honored the opportunity. I am attempting to better myself and at the same time set an example of patience and fairness. It's not always easy but I am trying real hard because I believe we can all be better people and therefore a better America if we can mature intellectually. This is why I am asking you sincerely, Let's give a rest to the back-biting, personal attacks on wives and spouses alleged indescretions. I know that this sort of mentality was not only accepted but encourage where some of you have come from and therefore it seems normal. With all due respect, I can assure you that comments of the type previously mentioned are not looked upon with anything but distain and embarassment by educated,mainstream society. I am offering an opportunity for you and I to grow and improve our character, to become better people and in essence better Americans. I can promise you this, if you restrain the temptations and discipline yourself from enguaging in overtly personal attacks it will be difficult at first. You will most likely wonder wether your post had the "sting" or impact you were aiming for. But after a time you will begin to be ashamed of things you had said or written in the past as an outburst of emotion instead of logical argument. You will eventually take pride in having distinguised yourself from those who attempt to argue in what ammouts to be a nothing more than gutteral base-level mentality. The benefits of joining us in rising above give you more credibility and respect from those whom you hope to persuade or inform not just on this chat site but where ever you go. I hope you all recieve this offer with sincerity and commitment. I hope I have been clear. Now let's give our attention to a variety of issues and take a breather from the issues that you find make it difficult to control your emotions or ethics in making your arguments. I appreciate your attention, Eric von Wade
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I am moving on! 1/11/2005 5:58:04 PM
Should I not mention when somebody is posting about this board? I am no longer personally attacking the aforementioned. It is there in black & white for all to read. I will practice positive and productive writing. Can I go forth exposing the corruption in the fiasco?
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Re: I am moving on! 1/11/2005 6:57:42 PM
I''m not trying to stifel free speech. I would prefer if we could give a little rest to the issue so that all parties have a chance to get a better perspective. I think that the issue has been covered extensively. I know you are passionate about this but there will be a time when some new information arises and it will be natural to revist the topic. In the mean time I know all the threadsters here at Eric von Wade.com would appreciate additional input and opinions on the hot topics of the day. I hope all newcommers find a fit here and I''m glad you are ready to move forward.
condotPosts: 103
I just feel Jaime is trying to use this board to pressure certain families; 1/11/2005 8:47:03 PM
I feel you expressed yourself EVW in the more rational way possible to proceed. Exposing ""corruption"" (can mean a lot of hurtful things) as Jaime put it. Maybe EVW you need to be more specific like ""name calling"" and ""labeling""... I did come here to try to improve myself. I did not come here to grow, not to adopt balkanized views. I will play by the rules. My father and uncle will not be posting in that they don''t know much about computer now care anyway. Let''s move on.
condotPosts: 103
I just feel Jaime is trying to use this board to pressure certain families; 1/11/2005 8:47:11 PM
I feel you expressed yourself EVW in the more rational way possible to proceed. Exposing ""corruption"" (can mean a lot of hurtful things) as Jaime put it. Maybe EVW you need to be more specific like ""name calling"" and ""labeling""... I did come here to try to improve myself. I did not come here to grow, not to adopt balkanized views. I will play by the rules. My father and uncle will not be posting in that they don''t know much about computer now care anyway. Let''s move on.
condotPosts: 103
I just feel Jaime is trying to use this board to pressure certain families; 1/11/2005 8:47:15 PM
I feel you expressed yourself EVW in the more rational way possible to proceed. Exposing ""corruption"" (can mean a lot of hurtful things) as Jaime put it. Maybe EVW you need to be more specific like ""name calling"" and ""labeling""... I did come here to try to improve myself. I did not come here to grow, not to adopt balkanized views. I will play by the rules. My father and uncle will not be posting in that they don''t know much about computer now care anyway. Let''s move on.
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Let''s Not just move on - LETS ROLL 1/11/2005 8:58:58 PM
:) looks like Condot forgot he didn''t have to post the same thing three different times. Once is enough for us Eric Von Wadester types.
Jaime KenedenoPosts: 1468

Let it go Condot 1/11/2005 10:32:12 PM
We will revisit from time to time but this is getting old right now. Let us talk about medical records?
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Re: Let it go Condot 1/11/2005 11:28:58 PM
Hmm, I believe the medical records aspect of this whole discussion is still the same old topic. Please, lets give it all a rest. Offer up some current events topics for discussion totally unrelated to what you have been previously posting. That topic, and its fallout, is wearing very, very, very thin. You have shown you are more than capable of contributing to other debates and conversations, Jaime. Thank you for the effort you have shown. Hardcore Harry
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Re: Let''s Not just move on - LETS ROLL 1/12/2005 1:55:09 AM
""Once is enough for us Eric Von Wadester types."" Cool, I think we now have a new term: Wadester. When Eric posts here, he can be Eric Von Wadester! Kind of like a Super Threadster.
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yeah right! 1/12/2005 3:19:15 AM
why do u care? you said my name first to hurt me and threatened my family who feels the pressure! theft of services is a crime! lies are always hurtful but my life is now an open book! oh and i know I HAVE NOT KILLED ANYONE!
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Re: yeah right! 1/12/2005 1:01:34 PM
Are you really prepared to move on? This last post does not make it appear so. None of us here care who did what when. Frankly you sound like a couple spoiled brat kids who don''t know when to shut up and who insist on having the last word. Can it already. Hardcore Harry
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The EVW Community site is... 1/12/2005 1:49:33 AM
*A forum for the free exchange of ideas. *A place where great minds meet! *A classroom like no other. *Where you must go to become a Threadster. Thanks, Eric, for the opportunities for intellectual thought & debate you provide here. In appreciation, we Threadsters should always aspire to conduct ourselves with respect and hold ourselves to the highest standards.
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Re: The EVW Community site is... 1/12/2005 2:12:13 AM
How does one become a Threadster?
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Re: Re: The EVW Community site is... 1/12/2005 2:19:28 AM
David, You have been a Threadster longer than I. Posting in this forum using the high standards common here is enough. I asked this question on a thread about 5 months ago and the answer was: I think, therefore I thread! (A take on Eric''s moniker)
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Re: Re: Re: The EVW Community site is... 1/12/2005 2:58:16 AM
I remember that thread awhile back. I don''t post all that often anymore. I''m really busy with work and school, reading alone takes up enough time. I try to drop in every now and then on topics that really interest me or that I may know a bit about.
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Re: May I have your attention. Condott & Jaime 1/15/2005 12:14:39 AM
All that stuf bored the heck out of me anyways, it''s not all of our business. You guys get each others cell phones and have it out on that not on this site...we don''t want to talk about it anymore. Lets move forward not backwards.
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Dear Bored! 1/22/2005 9:03:51 PM
yOU SOUND BORED RIGHT NOW? I have let it go for now. You are still bring it up. I will write about an issue when I feel it needs to be written about. I will not be censored. Where is that idiot now. He is calling me and says he has not hard feelings and holds nothing against me. i know better. I am wstill writing about the issues. The Soap Opera is going on at the website below. If you did not want to read it on EVW''s site then you will need not bother to read the ""Soap Opera"" over there either? http://b3.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?&user=dannoynted1